Earthtainer III ready for Michigan

[drlarry]

I've been growing tomatoes in large pots for about 10 years now with mixed results. Decided to give the Earthtainer III a try and will be building four this week and plan to stick close to the instructions for the first year. I'll be using Premier Pro-Mix BX and just need to find a few more supplies.

I've been unable to find E.B. Stone Sure Start in the Detroit area. Anyone know of a source or a good alternative?

I'm also trying to figure out how I'll measure out the Pro-Mix since it comes in compressed 3.8 cu.ft. bales and each container should be allocated roughly 2.7 cu.ft. I should have enough for my four Earthtainers, but don't want to run short.

Rnewste states six scoops of grow media plus one Perlite for each layer. Any thoughts on what size scoop works best?

Also, is the Earthtainer III designed to hold two tomato plants? The photo on the top of page 15 of the instructions shows the first transplant almost in the corner of the container, as if leaving room for more plants? Is it typical to transplant in the corners?

Any other Michiganders have your Earthtainers up and growing?

[rnewste]

larry,

Congrats on taking the EarthTainer "plunge". If you have that many years with growing in ordinary pots - - prepared to be wow'ed with what you will experience in the EarthTainers.

Regarding the Starter Fertilizer, try to find Espoma Bio-tone or similar starter fertilizer. Look for ingredients including Mycorrhizae.

I think you will need more Pro-Mix BX. Including filling the wicking basket, you should budget about 3.2 cu. ft. per 'Tainer.

I use a decent size flour scoop to measure out the ingredients. The absolute size is not important - just consistent ratios are important. NOTE: If you can get pine Microbark, I would suggest you read the "Tweaks For Experts" Section of the Guide, and go for the 3:2:1 ratio for best results.

You can easily plant 2 heirloom tomato plants per 'Tainer, or 4 Pepper plants. Plant the 2 tomato plants in 6 inches from the handles. This will provide about 14 inches between the two plants for optimal growth.

Keep us updated with photos of your progress and feel free to PM me anytime if you have questions that are not addressed in the Guide. I am in the process of adding the 2 tomato plants per 'Tainer and the spacing in the next revision of the Guide.

Raybo

[Pants]

I just finished building and planting in my first 4 earthtainers ever! I used the mix ratio Raybo mentions in the "Tweaks for Experts" section of his guide 3:2:1 of Mix : pine bark fines : perlite.

I bought 2 bags of ProMix (drove an hour to get it at $50 only to find it a couple days later right around the corner for $30). Using Raybo's 3:2:1 mix I used less than 1 bag of the Promix. It is very light and fluffy and they really compact it down in those bags.

Since the ProMix is so pricey and pine bark fines are so cheap Raybo's expert tweak can really help save a few bucks.

I also couldn't find the E.B. Stone Sure Start here in Maryland so I used the Espoma Bio-tone that Raybo just mentioned. The Espoma products seem pretty easy to find here.

I used a 4 cup measuring cup from the kitchen and measured into a 5 Gallon bucket. I would do 3, 2, 1 of the components then mix together by hand and repeat. This would get the bucket full. Dumping this into the earthtainer gave a bit over the 2" that raybo suggests to fill it. Mixing 5 gallons at a time was a bit of a pain but that bucket was all I had. The ProMix is so compacted that it takes a long time to break it up and fill the cup. The majority of my time filling the earthtainers was spent just breaking up the promix while trying not to spill it all onto my deck. If you have space to open the whole bag (maybe a big drop cloth or tarp) that would seem to me to be the way to go. Then just mix components with a shovel.

I planted 2 tomato plants per earthtainer just as Raybo described. I did put different varieties together though so I am curious of Raybo's experience with having tomatoes cross. Do most people put two of the same plant in each to avoid this?

[rnewste]

Pants,

Great job!!!

Just to verify, you did soak the Combo Mix thoroughly as you were filling the 'Tainers - right?

Due to the proximity of the plants, there is a good probability you will get unintentional crosses - if you save seed. I use anklet pantyhose "feet" to put over a blossoming branch, if I want to save true seed.

Please keep us posted with photo progress throughout the Season.

Raybo

p.s. Also keep in mind for the first few weeks after transplanting, to top water each plant with about 1 pint of water, twice per week. This is necessary until the plant establishes a new root system extending down into the middle section of the 'Tainer. After this "jump start" for about 3 weeks, you can discontinue and everything will then be on "auto-pilot" from there on out.

[drlarry]

Thanks Raybo,

I like the sound of the expert mix, both for the results and the cost benefit Pants pointed out. Currently my local HD has pine bark mulch that is about three times the size of the picture in the instructions. I'll check some other vendors.

Is the expert tweak still recommended if I'm not planting all Heirlooms?

I'll continue my Earthtainer construction today. No 3 5/8 hole saw. My tin snips have been working great.

For others still gathering supplies, the least expensive stainless tube (w/ shipping) I could find online was 44.19 at hobbypeople.net - they sell it in 12 inch sections and ship first class for $2.99.

[drlarry]

Finished off my four Earthtainers last night. With some 'tool issues' it took about five hours for the four of them. With a long 1/4 bit, I was able to drill all four aeration benches simultaneously. Even then, that was a LOT of holes Raybo!

For those who do not have a 3 5/8 hole saw, no need to consider getting one just for this project. It was very easy to cut out the wicking basket hole using tin snips. I didn't have a compass handy so I found a roll of tape slightly larger than the 3 5/8 diameter, then removed some tape to get it exact size for inscribing the circle. I drilled a 3/8 pilot hole then let the tin snips do the rest. I also found it was much easier cutting the lids with the snips.

My pea fence hasn't arrived from Gurneys yet, so my next step is filling the 'tainer and planting! I think I go browse the forum for some suggestions on container friendly varieties in Michigan.

[matereater]

drlarry, please let me know if you find any pine bark fine products in the Detroit area. I've looked at a number of stores and couldn't find anything close to whats in Ray's instructions.

[rnewste]

The Pro-Mix folks did a study (search their website) and formulated Pro-Mix BRK with microbark approx 1/2" in size. I trust these folks know what they are doing and would rely on their research. Large bark chunks are not a substitute.

If Pro-Mix BX is carried locally, see if you can get the Pro-Mix BRK, and you're done (boost up the Perlite in a 6:1 ratio).

Raybo

[drlarry]

Just picked up my seedlings. Decided to put peppers in one of the Earthtainers. Is a different fertilizer recommended for peppers? Six per container, correct?

I also purchased grape tomato plants. Are cherry tomatoes still planted two per container? Or, is three or four the way to go?

[Talon1189]

Your Earthtainers look great I live 10 miles north west of Detroit. I am gonna wait until next weekend to plant out my Earthtainers due to the rainy forecast coming this week. Diseases love rainy humid weather >>>>>>>Talon

[rnewste]

larry,

While last year, I planted 6 Pepper plants per 'Tainer - the conclusion is that this was just to crowded.



This Season, I am spacing out 4 per 'Tainer.



Come July, they will be ★★★-to-tea-kettle I am sure. For the PepperTainers, I use a single fertilizer strip down the middle, and use 2 Cups of Tomato-tone, which works great on Peppers as well.



Raybo

[Pants]

Originally Posted by rnewste

Just to verify, you did soak the Combo Mix thoroughly as you were filling the 'Tainers - right?

Yes I soaked the mix every 2" just like you said to in your pdf. Thats one thing that made the 5G bucket so convenient, it seemed to be almost perfectly 2" of mix.

Originally Posted by les matzek

i will bet you will see no difference in the growth or production by trying to make a magic mix by adding the above.

My goal wasn't to make a "magic mix," but just to buy less of the pricey Pro-Mix and still have excellent growth.

I inoculated my tomatoes with Great White Mycorrhizae yesterday. I also put some one my other container plants (blueberries, garlic, lettuce, herbs, eggplant, peppers).

It looks like the published Gurney's coupon expired on the 15th and I still need to buy pea fence for my 4 earthtainers. Do you guys expect another Gurney's coupon to pop up (seems like a common promo from them right?)?

[rnewste]

Pants,

Try this link. Verify up in the top banner ad it says "$25.00 off a $50.00 order". It does on my computer just now.

http://gurneys.com/default.asp?eid=0...FciA5QodNG4uPQ

Raybo

[drlarry]

Steve,

I found my pine bark mulch at Bordine's. Wasn't cheap, but costs a lot less than Pro-Mix BX! This was a very fine mulch.

[les matzek]

if you use pro mix brk or sun gro sunshine mix #4
or fox farm seed starting mix you can if you want
to try to make a magic mix by adding pine bark
fines and perlite i will bet you will see no difference
in the growth or production by trying to make a
magic mix by adding the above.
best of luck.

les