happy squash vine borer day!!! - Page 3

Tormato · June 21, 2013

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Originally Posted by tjg911

sounds good gary. so Tetsukabuto is a maxima?

tom

Tetsukabuto (F1 hybrid) is a maxima x moschata cross. It needs either a maxima or a moschata to pollinate it. My guess is that you'd never cross it with a maxima.

I've never looked at the vines to see if they are solid, because I've never had a SVB attack it, unlike all of the maximas and pepos that I trial.

Gary

tjg911 · June 21, 2013

thanks gary.

i grew seminole last summer and it was not what i like. it is way to wet inside and the flavor was not as good as waltham butternut but the buggers kept a month longer than wbn and was still sweet, such that is it.

i don't know if all butternuts taste the same but i suspect some are different. i never grew any but wbn as it does so well.

i always will grow wbn so i'll have a moschata for pollination but i wouldn't grow any maximas thanks to the svb. if you'd like to share a few seeds of tetsukabuto i'll try it next summer to see what the difference is vs wbn. if not that's ok too.

i have 1 question. if i did grow tetsukabuto and wbn i suspect the seeds of tetsukabuto will not come true to type since tetsukabuto is a hybrid. is that correct?

tom

Tormato · June 22, 2013

No Tom, it would not come true. Tetsukabuto F1 seed looks like a maxima (white type). When it gets pollinated by a moschata, the new seed looks like a moschata (hairy edge type). Currently I'm all out of Tetsukabuto. Hopefully Pinetree will list it again next year.

But what I'm really hoping for is that one of the other Japanese moschatas I'm trialing (Kikuza, Futtsu Black, Yokohama, etc...) will be all that I'm looking for in an OP squash.

Gary

halleone · June 22, 2013

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Originally Posted by Tormato

Hopefully Pinetree will list it again next year.

But what I'm really hoping for is that one of the other Japanese moschatas I'm trialing (Kikuza, Futtsu Black, Yokohama, etc...) will be all that I'm looking for in an OP squash.

Gary

Kitazawa carries Tetsukabuto. But I got mine from you.... It is by far the largest, most vigorous vine in my squash patch (wish it would settle down a bit).

And will you let us know how your other Japanese moschatas come out, please?

tjg911 · June 23, 2013

ok gary i always buy from pinetree so i'll check next year for it.

tom

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Jaysan · September 10, 2013

After pulling my squash due to borers I read that the adult is only active in early spring/summer so I replanted. Everything was fine, looked good. Started getting nice squash.

So why am I having to pull these yesterday? Dug into the vine and there they were.

Borers in September????????

halleone · September 10, 2013

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Originally Posted by Jaysan

After pulling my squash due to borers I read that the adult is only active in early spring/summer so I replanted. Everything was fine, looked good. Started getting nice squash.

So why am I having to pull these yesterday? Dug into the vine and there they were.

Borers in September????????

I grew a second crop of them this year, also......

'Bout to give up on squash.

Jaysan · September 10, 2013

Did you have borers in your second crop too?

halleone · September 10, 2013

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Originally Posted by Jaysan

Did you have borers in your second crop too?

Yup. Couldn't believe it.

clkeiper · September 10, 2013

I started a second crop and they are just now bearing...and there are vine borers in these, too. I am so bumming!

b54red · September 11, 2013

I have found in the past when I tried a fall crop with squash that the vine borers were worse than in the spring.

Bill

shelleybean · September 11, 2013

That was what happened here, too. Second crop had more damage earlier than the first planting. I'm going to change things up a little next year and see if that helps. I'm going to double my number of crookneck plants to try to get more. As for zucchini, I'm going to try the variety "Dark Green" because it's supposed to ripen all its fruit in a more concentrated time. I'm hoping to get a lot of zucchini early and by the time the SVB damage gets bad (usually mid July here), those plants will pretty much be done anyway. That's my plan. We'll see how it works.

tlintx · September 11, 2013

I also lost most of my plants to them. I'm going to use heavier methods next year -- couldn't this year because I have a toddler.

All of my affected plants were in containers in a scrubby corner of the yard. One was three feet off the ground!

The ones in the back of the yard, in the raised beds surrounded by grass, haven't been affected so far.

Next year I'll plant twice as much, and scatter them around more widely. I happen to think squash and pumpkins and cucumber plants are quite ornamental.

June 21, 2013	#32
tjg911 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: zone 5b northwest connecticut Posts: 2,570	thanks gary. i grew seminole last summer and it was not what i like. it is way to wet inside and the flavor was not as good as waltham butternut but the buggers kept a month longer than wbn and was still sweet, such that is it. i don't know if all butternuts taste the same but i suspect some are different. i never grew any but wbn as it does so well. i always will grow wbn so i'll have a moschata for pollination but i wouldn't grow any maximas thanks to the svb. if you'd like to share a few seeds of tetsukabuto i'll try it next summer to see what the difference is vs wbn. if not that's ok too. i have 1 question. if i did grow tetsukabuto and wbn i suspect the seeds of tetsukabuto will not come true to type since tetsukabuto is a hybrid. is that correct? tom __________________ I need a hero I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the end of the night He’s gotta be strong And he’s gotta be fast And he’s gotta be fresh from the fight I need a hero I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the morning light He’s gotta be sure And it’s gotta be soon And he’s gotta be larger than life

June 22, 2013	#33
Tormato Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MA Posts: 4,971	No Tom, it would not come true. Tetsukabuto F1 seed looks like a maxima (white type). When it gets pollinated by a moschata, the new seed looks like a moschata (hairy edge type). Currently I'm all out of Tetsukabuto. Hopefully Pinetree will list it again next year. But what I'm really hoping for is that one of the other Japanese moschatas I'm trialing (Kikuza, Futtsu Black, Yokohama, etc...) will be all that I'm looking for in an OP squash. Gary Last edited by Tormato; June 22, 2013 at 02:32 PM.

June 23, 2013	#35
tjg911 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: zone 5b northwest connecticut Posts: 2,570	ok gary i always buy from pinetree so i'll check next year for it. tom __________________ I need a hero I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the end of the night He’s gotta be strong And he’s gotta be fast And he’s gotta be fresh from the fight I need a hero I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the morning light He’s gotta be sure And it’s gotta be soon And he’s gotta be larger than life

September 10, 2013	#42
clkeiper Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ohio Posts: 4,350	I started a second crop and they are just now bearing...and there are vine borers in these, too. I am so bumming! __________________ carolyn k

September 11, 2013	#44
shelleybean Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 2,648	That was what happened here, too. Second crop had more damage earlier than the first planting. I'm going to change things up a little next year and see if that helps. I'm going to double my number of crookneck plants to try to get more. As for zucchini, I'm going to try the variety "Dark Green" because it's supposed to ripen all its fruit in a more concentrated time. I'm hoping to get a lot of zucchini early and by the time the SVB damage gets bad (usually mid July here), those plants will pretty much be done anyway. That's my plan. We'll see how it works. __________________ Michele

July 29, 2013	#36
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September 10, 2013	#38
Jaysan Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 167	After pulling my squash due to borers I read that the adult is only active in early spring/summer so I replanted. Everything was fine, looked good. Started getting nice squash. So why am I having to pull these yesterday? Dug into the vine and there they were. Borers in September????????

September 11, 2013	#43
b54red Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,068	I have found in the past when I tried a fall crop with squash that the vine borers were worse than in the spring. Bill

September 11, 2013	#45
tlintx Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: SeTx Posts: 881	I also lost most of my plants to them. I'm going to use heavier methods next year -- couldn't this year because I have a toddler. All of my affected plants were in containers in a scrubby corner of the yard. One was three feet off the ground! The ones in the back of the yard, in the raised beds surrounded by grass, haven't been affected so far. Next year I'll plant twice as much, and scatter them around more widely. I happen to think squash and pumpkins and cucumber plants are quite ornamental.