Why are my seedlings so small?! - Page 4

Raiquee · March 31, 2017

Don't be worried about disrupting them. I plant seedlings in a carpet fashion and once they get one set of true leaves, I'm busting those little groups up and I'm not a delicate butterfly about it. I plant out around 100 tomatoes each year. Just pop them out of the pots and holding them by their leaves (yes leaves, don't hold by stem. They can regrow leaves, not stems) try and get some excess dirt off the roots and place in new mix. Bury their stems a bit so they create more roots. Tomatoes LOVE to be transplanted!

Lower you lights, repot them (and bury the stems to counteract the tallness) and give 'em some food. Those soil-less mixes have no nutrition in them, so if you haven't supplemented I would. And if you have, make sure you keep doing it as those mixes don't usually have a lot to "hold" stuff in.

Hope it helps

MissS · March 31, 2017

If you are a little squeamish about this, then just pop the plants out of the cell, hold them by the dirt ball and dip them into a container of warm water. Gently swish them around until most of the soil has fallen off. Then just gently pull them apart. Plant them with the stem 1/2 deeper than it was before.

ARgardener · March 31, 2017

OK, I'm really considering doing this. I found pro mix at a local store, and I'm thinking about using that to replace my light warrior. Is it safe to try and transplant the tiny eggplant and peppers too?

MissS · March 31, 2017

Yes. Go ahead. Let's see how they do in the new medium.

MissS · April 1, 2017

I did forget to say that you should water them in with a mild fertilizer solution. You should also keep them in a low light situation for the first day after transplanting while they adjust to their new envirionment.

Good Luck! They should perk up pretty quickly.

ScottinAtlanta · April 1, 2017

I vote for temps, too. My trays of potted up seedlings usually grow fastest in the middle of the tray, and slowest on the outside. My guess is that warmer is better, up to a point.

Also, the slant of the tray matters - if it is not level, some pots get more water than others.

I am sure there are dozens of variables.

ARgardener · April 1, 2017

I went out and bought a bag of pro mix BX. I haven't opened it yet, but I'm considering it. If I change the soil, what I will do is take the seedlings out and add the pro mix to the trays in the photo and then add the seedlings back.

Last night whenever I decided to try and water the trays, I poked around at things a bit with a toothpick. The fox form like warrior, when dry, is very clumpy and almost brick like... I'm thinking that this has a lot to do with my problems. I let things dry out significantly before watering again, so this cycle of watering and then drying to the point of being like a brick is likely restricting the roots and growth… Just what I think.

Father'sDaughter · April 1, 2017

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I vote for temps, too.

It was his comment below that steered me towards a temp issue. Roots seem to be doing just fine, it's the top growth that seems a bit lazy.

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The root development seems to be going... I've got roots coming out of the bottom of the trays and such. Not sure.

Father'sDaughter · April 1, 2017

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Originally Posted by ARgardener

I went out and bought a bag of pro mix BX. I haven't opened it yet, but I'm considering it. If I change the soil, what I will do is take the seedlings out and add the pro mix to the trays in the photo and then add the seedlings back.

Last night whenever I decided to try and water the trays, I poked around at things a bit with a toothpick. The fox form like warrior, when dry, is very clumpy and almost brick like... I'm thinking that this has a lot to do with my problems. I let things dry out significantly before watering again, so this cycle of watering and then drying to the point of being like a brick is likely restricting the roots and growth… Just what I think.

Okay, now it's looking like a combination of temps and lack of water. The mix for seedlings that young should be kept evenly moist. Add in temps up to 90 and you've got a desert environment going!

Whichever plan of action you decide on, I hope you find a way to get them on the right track.

ARgardener · April 1, 2017

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Okay, now it's looking like a combination of temps and lack of water. The mix for seedlings that young should be kept evenly moist. Add in temps up to 90 and you've got a desert environment going!

Whichever plan of action you decide on, I hope you find a way to get them on the right track.

In case you haven't noticed- I am just full of mistakes here!

Father'sDaughter · April 1, 2017

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In case you haven't noticed- I am just full of mistakes here!

Not mistakes, just learning opportunities.

And trust me, we've all been there!

ARgardener · April 1, 2017

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Originally Posted by Father'sDaughter

Not mistakes, just learning opportunities.

And trust me, we've all been there!

I always just heard people talk about not keeping this all too wet and I've always been a bit paranoid about damping off. I believe that this mix will still work just fine, as long as I can keep it moist, so as of right now I do not plan on changing out the soil. I think that may just add unneeded stress to the stunted seedlings. Hopefully by correcting conditions, these little guys will see some improvement. I'm just hoping that they can turn things around in time.

Father'sDaughter · April 1, 2017

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I always just heard people talk about not keeping this all too wet and I've always been a bit paranoid about damping off. I believe that this mix will still work just fine, as long as I can keep it moist, so as of right now I do not plan on changing out the soil. I think that may just add unneeded stress to the stunted seedlings. Hopefully by correcting conditions, these little guys will see some improvement. I'm just hoping that they can turn things around in time.

I hope so too. And don't forget to give them some diluted fertilizer. They're at a piont where they need a bit of food.

ARgardener · April 1, 2017

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I hope so too. And don't forget to give them some diluted fertilizer. They're at a piont where they need a bit of food.

I certainly will. Hope they like fish

Raiquee · April 1, 2017

AR don't get discouraged, none of us was born knowing what plants like

And as you can tell by our answers, it not as easy to say one thing for sure. It's usually a trail of several things before we find the one that works!

March 31, 2017	#46
Raiquee Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 307	Don't be worried about disrupting them. I plant seedlings in a carpet fashion and once they get one set of true leaves, I'm busting those little groups up and I'm not a delicate butterfly about it. I plant out around 100 tomatoes each year. Just pop them out of the pots and holding them by their leaves (yes leaves, don't hold by stem. They can regrow leaves, not stems) try and get some excess dirt off the roots and place in new mix. Bury their stems a bit so they create more roots. Tomatoes LOVE to be transplanted! Lower you lights, repot them (and bury the stems to counteract the tallness) and give 'em some food. Those soil-less mixes have no nutrition in them, so if you haven't supplemented I would. And if you have, make sure you keep doing it as those mixes don't usually have a lot to "hold" stuff in. Hope it helps __________________ Desire' Mother of 3, homesteader, canner, gardener, dwarf tomato participant.

March 31, 2017	#47
MissS Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 3,150	If you are a little squeamish about this, then just pop the plants out of the cell, hold them by the dirt ball and dip them into a container of warm water. Gently swish them around until most of the soil has fallen off. Then just gently pull them apart. Plant them with the stem 1/2 deeper than it was before. __________________ ~ Patti ~

March 31, 2017	#49
MissS Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 3,150	Yes. Go ahead. Let's see how they do in the new medium. __________________ ~ Patti ~

April 1, 2017	#50
MissS Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 3,150	I did forget to say that you should water them in with a mild fertilizer solution. You should also keep them in a low light situation for the first day after transplanting while they adjust to their new envirionment. Good Luck! They should perk up pretty quickly. __________________ ~ Patti ~

April 1, 2017	#60
Raiquee Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 307	AR don't get discouraged, none of us was born knowing what plants like And as you can tell by our answers, it not as easy to say one thing for sure. It's usually a trail of several things before we find the one that works! __________________ Desire' Mother of 3, homesteader, canner, gardener, dwarf tomato participant.

March 31, 2017	#48
ARgardener Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: steamy southern Arkansas Posts: 155	OK, I'm really considering doing this. I found pro mix at a local store, and I'm thinking about using that to replace my light warrior. Is it safe to try and transplant the tiny eggplant and peppers too?

April 1, 2017	#51
ScottinAtlanta Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 2,593	I vote for temps, too. My trays of potted up seedlings usually grow fastest in the middle of the tray, and slowest on the outside. My guess is that warmer is better, up to a point. Also, the slant of the tray matters - if it is not level, some pots get more water than others. I am sure there are dozens of variables.