Sgt. Peppers - Page 4

clara · August 16, 2017

I'm growing Sgt. Pepper's for the third year in a row and therefore thought, I could do an experiment: I did NOT remove any leaves and the lower tomatoes were fully shaded, but developed much antho though. The antho is only in the tomatoes, neither in the stem nor the leaves. There is much more antho than in Spartanburg's pics, I'd say 1/3 to even 1/2 of the fruits.

Later on, I removed some leaves for the next tomatoes - no difference as to the antho.

Next year, I'll place one plant in a spot where it does not get much sun and see what will happen.

Labradors2 · August 16, 2017

Very interesting Clara! I will look forward to hearing the results of your experiment with growing Sgt. Pepper's in the shade

Linda

KarenO · August 16, 2017

That will be interesting to see Clara.
I still say the variety is clearly unstable, at least some of the Sgt. Peppers seed in circulation. This is not a bad thing necessarily, just a truth and as I said way back not surprising in a tomato that was released at F5. No OP tomato is stable at F5 imo.
I have grown other antho varieties and while there can be variation in the depth of colour on a. plant depending on growing conditions there is always antho present and the size of the fruits are consistent and the growth habit of the plants of any stable variety is similar in general. Just in this thread I have seen more variation than should be explained by just growing and light conditions.
If they taste good, I may grow seed out again from this plant. if not, then I would try again from different seed because mine is not what should be expected from this variety. Again, not a bad thing, just the way this one is.
KarenO

AlittleSalt · August 16, 2017

Karen, I was/am waiting for you to tell us how it tastes.

I know we all have different tastes and all, but I'm really interested in antho varieties.

KarenO · August 21, 2017

Late for me at about 85 days but it's a beauty. Flavour is pretty good, not fabulous but certainly good. Unfortunate green core in this one, remains to be seen if they are all like that. I think this one could have been a little under-ripe.
It is a beauty though. Black as pitch.
I will save seeds.
KarenO

Salsacharley · August 22, 2017

A beauty, indeed!

Redbaron · August 22, 2017

Wo0w Now that's one I got to have!

ginger2778 · August 22, 2017

Karen, did you show that to your naysayer community garden folks? That really does look like a true Sgt. Peppers, with environment being the difference in the antho amount. IMHO

Labradors2 · August 22, 2017

Wow! That is gorgeous! Definitely trading in my non-antho variety {LOL}

Linda

ddsack · August 22, 2017

Now that is black! Karen, could you please satisfy my curiosity by doing an epi scrape check on that really blackest area? I'm assuming skin will be clear since it's supposed to be a pink, but how cool would it be if it broke all the rules and came up neither clear or yellow!

KarenO · August 22, 2017

I would like to see a photo of another sgt peppers with this much antho, if someone has grown one this black, (with all the fruits this dark) please post a picture. Size is smallish, the one pictured is the largest on the plant, most are about 3-4 oz.

I will check Dee but pretty sure it will be clear

KarenO

Spartanburg123 · August 22, 2017

KarenO- you may want to hop over to Xanadu and show these pictures to Jason Haynes (Seasideseeds), who developed this cross. He may have some interest in this high antho example. Italigarden also had some pretty dark ones in the Sgt. Pepper's thread there.

AlittleSalt · August 22, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarenO

I would like to see a photo of another sgt peppers with this much antho, if someone has grown one this black, (with all the fruits this dark) please post a picture. Size is smallish, the one pictured is the largest on the plant, most are about 3-4 oz.

I will check Dee but pretty sure it will be clear

KarenO

Karen, this isn't Sgt. Peppers. It's the one I've been PMing you about. This picture is of the first stage way before ripeness.

KarenO · August 22, 2017

Very beautiful Robert!
KarenO

KarenO · August 23, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddsack

Now that is black! Karen, could you please satisfy my curiosity by doing an epi scrape check on that really blackest area? I'm assuming skin will be clear since it's supposed to be a pink, but how cool would it be if it broke all the rules and came up neither clear or yellow!

The epi is clear.
KarenO

August 22, 2017	#52
Redbaron Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 4,488	Wo0w Now that's one I got to have! __________________ Scott AKA The Redbaron "Permaculture is a philosophy of working with, rather than against nature; of protracted & thoughtful observation rather than protracted & thoughtless labour; & of looking at plants & animals in all their functions, rather than treating any area as a single-product system." Bill Mollison co-founder of permaculture

August 22, 2017	#55
ddsack Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Northern Minnesota - zone 3 Posts: 3,231	Now that is black! Karen, could you please satisfy my curiosity by doing an epi scrape check on that really blackest area? I'm assuming skin will be clear since it's supposed to be a pink, but how cool would it be if it broke all the rules and came up neither clear or yellow! __________________ Dee **************

August 22, 2017	#56
KarenO Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 5,933	I would like to see a photo of another sgt peppers with this much antho, if someone has grown one this black, (with all the fruits this dark) please post a picture. Size is smallish, the one pictured is the largest on the plant, most are about 3-4 oz. I will check Dee but pretty sure it will be clear KarenO Last edited by KarenO; August 22, 2017 at 11:08 AM.

August 16, 2017	#46
clara Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,351	I'm growing Sgt. Pepper's for the third year in a row and therefore thought, I could do an experiment: I did NOT remove any leaves and the lower tomatoes were fully shaded, but developed much antho though. The antho is only in the tomatoes, neither in the stem nor the leaves. There is much more antho than in Spartanburg's pics, I'd say 1/3 to even 1/2 of the fruits. Later on, I removed some leaves for the next tomatoes - no difference as to the antho. Next year, I'll place one plant in a spot where it does not get much sun and see what will happen.

August 16, 2017	#47
Labradors2 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,902	Very interesting Clara! I will look forward to hearing the results of your experiment with growing Sgt. Pepper's in the shade Linda

August 16, 2017	#49
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	Karen, I was/am waiting for you to tell us how it tastes. I know we all have different tastes and all, but I'm really interested in antho varieties.

August 22, 2017	#51
Salsacharley Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2013 Location: New Mexico Posts: 2,052	A beauty, indeed!

August 22, 2017	#53
ginger2778 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Plantation, Florida zone 10 Posts: 9,283	Karen, did you show that to your naysayer community garden folks? That really does look like a true Sgt. Peppers, with environment being the difference in the antho amount. IMHO

August 22, 2017	#57
Spartanburg123 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Spartanburg, SC Posts: 1,262	KarenO- you may want to hop over to Xanadu and show these pictures to Jason Haynes (Seasideseeds), who developed this cross. He may have some interest in this high antho example. Italigarden also had some pretty dark ones in the Sgt. Pepper's thread there.