Fish Peppers

[Love2Troll]

And if you have photos of your over-wintering babies, please post them up.

Sheesh! .... like asking a grandpa to post pix of his grandkids. (can do!)

My plants for overwintering this year are now staged in my driveway and look for all it's worth like plants that have survived 3 or 4 light freezes and most have lost all leaves even though many unripe pods are hangers on so to speak. One more warm day ahead in this Indian Summer and a very hard freeze predicted so will bring in to basement under lights tomorrow unless forecast changes. Peppers can survive overnight 28°F temps, but tomatoes can't. In the spring is the reverse and tomatoes are tougher. JMO

Here I am 2 years ago (overwintering) posing & supposdly looking very studious:

[Trudi]

WOW!

[cmpman1974]

Hey Papa Vic. Hope you're doing well. Was reading this thread. Just wanted to say I'm sorry the Fish peppers didn't all come true. I too had some variation in my plants. I was originally sent plants by a friend.

As JT said, isolation is not always easy. It truly is a full-time job on a large scale. I've posted a link to my photo album. When you see how many varieties of hot peppers I grew in 2006, it may help explain why isolation is hard.

http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...0Pics/?start=0

I hope everyone had a great year. I'm trying to overwinter 6-7 of my favorite pepper plants for 2007. So far, it's going pretty well. I didn't think I'd have the success I have had, but it's still early. 7 months left until plant-out. A lot can happen in that time frame!

Chris

[travis]

Originally Posted by cmpman1974

Hey Papa Vic. Hope you're doing well. Was reading this thread. Just wanted to say I'm sorry the Fish peppers didn't all come true. I too had some variation in my plants. I was originally sent plants by a friend.

As JT said, isolation is not always easy. It truly is a full-time job on a large scale. I've posted a link to my photo album. When you see how many varieties of hot peppers I grew in 2006, it may help explain why isolation is hard. Chris

Chris,

Hold on a minute, man ...

I'm in no way disappointed in any of the seeds you sent 8)

In fact, I love the shades of difference in some of the plants :wink:

The Fish in particular gave some slight variations in degree of variegation with one plant being very bushy and 50% or greater white splotches. It just didn't seem as strong as some others that had less variegation. But no problem whatever ... I loved them all.

And the one plant that wasn't variegated at all proved very interesting in that it only got about 18 - 20 inches tall without getting bushy at all (this was in a 3-gallon container, so it may do more with less restrictions), and put out much plumper peppers, not necessarily longer (2.5 inches or so), but they looked like fatter, thicker fleshed Fish with slightly less of a bend and the blossom end (see photos way back in this thread).

The Black Prince also was very interesting. Of the two plants I kept at home, both grew very erect, branching into two central stalks with very few side stems, but even the side stems were very erect. They both got about 30 inches high in 3-gallon pots, so I think they too would grow taller in more growing medium.

One Black Prince put out more clusters with more pods per cluster and had dark purple pods turning pure blood red at maturity. The other BP put out less pods per cluster and the immature pods were mottled green and black, and when they began turning red, they had black freckles until at the very last they finally turned completely red. I saved some seeds from each separately.

There's no way I can totally isolate all my peppers either and I look forward to some surprises ... in fact I hope for some.

When I find a pepper I really want to isolate, I can move the pot several hundred feet away out into the public area at the entrance to our subdivision where a few of us maintain the grass entrance and some raised flower gardens. A few ornamental peppers tucked in between the other stuff do not look out of place. I only did that with one Black Pearl this year, but next year I plan of selecting out another one or two pots. The public area is about 300 feet long and about 100 feet wide, so I'm limited there too. I also have one rent house with a renter who enjoys growing tomatoes, so that's another location I can use.

Yes, I did save 3 pods of seed from that fuzzy one that came from the Black Congo seed packet. The foliage looked like Kung Pao foliage, so I may have made a little mixup myself there, but there was no other pepper that looked anything like that one with regard to fuzzy foliage, and the single Black Congo that I brought inside looks nothing whatever like it. Unfortunately, Fuzzy got eaten by a rabbit early in the Spring, but grew back later and made a few pods that I had to ripen off the vine. After pickin' them and leavin' them lay in the garage, all three turned from Serrano green to lemon yellow to orange so far. None turned red. Also, Fuzzy grew in the ground within a few feet of 2 Black Princes in containers, so we shall see, huh?

Again, thanks, and no problem with a little diversity. I'll try germinating some more of your seeds here in December. My main project for next summer will be to try and cross Fatali with a Peter I have that has drifted somewhat away from blunt tips and now has a pointed tip out past an otherwise recognizably Peter Pepper shape. You may see photos of the drifted Peter at the thread called "Pedro."

PV

[cmpman1974]

Papa Vic,

Glad you enjoyed the peppers. I wasn't implying anything in my post other than I hope you had a great season. I too enjoy possible crosses and that's what makes the hobby exciting. Never ending list of possibilities.

That Fish Pepper is one beautiful plant. I wasn't overly impressed with the flavor, but cosmetic reasons alone is enough to keep growing it.

Fatalii x Peter Pepper = OUCH. Should be interesting.

I'm hoping for some neat crosses next season though I didn't intentionally try to do it. Maybe in 2007, I'll give it a whirl.

Hope my seeds do well for you next year.

Chris

[Love2Troll]

Chris,

I know you've seen these before, but others might be interrested. http://www.fototime.com/inv/697797B3FF7CBF8

My best online buddy has I think what is called a serger on her sewing machine and since the above photos were taken has sent me a gazillion of various size bags up to abt 24" x 36".

I witnessed more oddities with Fish than any other variety have ever grown by far. Some plants didn't exhibit variegated foliage until plants were quite large. http://www.fototime.com/39C17A3C50CCD04/orig.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/C5EC188D7D12573/standard.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/E5EAC3B77B0605C/standard.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/A25AD65FEACCE85/standard.jpg

And my Peters: http://www.fototime.com/EE5751A3BA76426/standard.jpg

Overwintering and blossom bags: http://www.fototime.com/71D48CA1A4957EC/standard.jpg

Livingroom window: http://www.fototime.com/9BAB9E947442B68/orig.jpg That particular rocoto grew to over 20' from tip to tip.

Some of Beth's C. baccatums:
http://www.fototime.com/BB579F5DBC1E952/standard.jpg Goodness, sure was porked up back then. 40 lbs lighter now and am a measly 184.

jt

[travis]

JT or Chris ...

Could you tell me which subspecies Peter and Fatali fall into? Are they in the same, in other words? Can you cross them?

PV

[Love2Troll]

PV,

Peter is C. annuum and Fatali is C. chinense

jt

[GrowSeeds]

Here's a feww links to ways of using them (Fish Peppers) with dishes.

http://idigmygarden.com/forums/showp...60&postcount=5


http://idigmygarden.com/forums/showp...47&postcount=9

http://idigmygarden.com/forums/showp...08&postcount=8

[Grub]

Thanks for your input on Fish. Boy, I have a lot of them now. My plant didn't show the variagated foliage until quite late, with only little daubs of white on a few leaf margins early on. Also, it took a while to set fruit, being on par with Chocolate Habanero alongside. But once it got about 2ft high the foliage changed and became more variagated and the fruit set very well. I would happily grow more than one Fish plant, but I can't say the same for Fatali... that is one productive and vigorous plant.

[Grub]

Hi Fellow Fish Heads...

I have a nice Fish pepper with fragrant kind of flavour. Non Chinense flavour.

Variegated foliage? Check
Striped green fruit? Check.
Red pendants when ripe? Well, yes, but...

http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/101...5832718_rs.jpg

Why this one fruit? Could I have a cross?

Ta, GRub.

[Love2Troll]

Why this one fruit? Could I have a cross?

Grub,

Check out my pictures on page 1 of this thread. I saw more abnormalities on Fish than any other variety I've ever grown.

Wonder what the blossom looked like for that pod? Maybe a double or even a triple.

Hot regards,
JohnT

[cdntomato]

Grub, Fish is red when ripe BUT...

traditionally Fish, the pepper, is used in cream sauces over....uh fish...and seafood (and should suit you to a T therefore!!!). So in keeping with the colour of cream sauce, the pepper is apparently used in the pre-ripened stage when it's still a striped cream colour.

So lovely to see you again, jt. Hugs.

Jennifer, the wordy one from the North

Is Fish the Cherokee Purple/Chocolate/Green of the pepper world?

[Grub]

Thanks John and Jenn,

You're right. I should have gone back and checked the earlier pics... seems I have the same kind of variation, though onely one wacky pod at this stage.

Best, Grubs.

[Trudi]

I wouldn't be suprised if peppers could form as double or triples like some tomatoes can. I'm thinking right now of Kosovo which is an oxheart, but does occasionally double itself.