Kellogg's Breakfast and Persimmon---Grow Both?
 

I'm close to my final list for this years mater patch. I'm wondering if there is enough difference between KB and Persimmon to warrant growing both in a garden with only 20 spots. KB is my favorite of all so far so it has a spot for sure. It was so good last year, I'm hoping it won't let me down this time around.

I love tomatoes with flavors leaning away from the sweet side. So, If you've grown both, or if you've grown Persimmon, what do you think? Grow 'em both or just Kelloggs Breakfast?

Kurt

I've grown both. I love Kellogg's Breakfast but am not that fond of the taste of Persimmon.

But all the folks in the world cannot tell you what Persimmon will taste like to you, b'c your mileage may vary from others.

So you can grow it and see how you like it and you can also consider some other oranges that might appeal to you b'c they aren't on the sweet side, as you said, and in that regard I'd suggest Tangella and Jaune Flammee as options.

The orange variety most grown before KB appeared was Amana Orange, but I think KB is far superior in taste.

Carolyn

Carolyn, thanks for your input. It never fails. I come to a tomato forum (only Tomatoville these days) to narrow my choices, and I leave with even more than when I started. Its always good to have some other options of course.

Tastes certainly do vary. For example, we seem to agree on the taste of Kellogg's Breakfast and yet when it comes to flavor alone, my favorite mater is...Silvery Fir Tree!

Tangella and Jaune Flammee, perhaps I'm not finished ordering seed for the season after all!

Kurt

I've grown both, and while both were good tomatoes,the KB is more to my taste too. I've grown it many times, but Persimmon only twice.

Jaune Flammee is more intense tasting than KB. It is a burst of Tomatoey essence in your mouth. It's on my top 5 list.

Kurt,

I forgot a really good orange one that I love, and it's not sweet per your comment about SFT, and that's Earl of Edgecombe.

Carolyn

Is this Persimmon being discussed the same as the Russian Persimmon? Would that be Khurma?

Barb

No, Barb, Persimmon and Russian Persimmon are two different vareties with two different origins.

Off hand I don't know the name of Russian Persimmon in Russian.

Carolyn

Has anyone grown this Russian Persimmon then? Andrey probably. Is it sweet or tart?

I don't even know why I'm asking, I can live without it--even if I do have seeds. ;-)

Barb

Barb, not having grown Russian Persimmon I can only go by the comments that SSE members state in their listings of it, for it's long been listed in the SSE Yearbook.

The summary comment would be; sweet and delicious.

Carolyn

<stamping foot> Darn! That makes it sounds like I should grow it. I supposed I could crush it into my bicolor row....

Received seed for Khurma (Russian Persimmon) from Andrey. A most delicious tomato. Notes from my 2004 grow out indicate: looks just like a Persimmon, later than Golden Delight and much lower production, but taste was excellent, assertive. I would grow again. Not a big plant.

Here a picture (cropped, pre-digital) …..

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2 questions.

Would it fit into a container?

How did you get the photo to appear?

Having grown all 3 last year I personally (zone 6 with cool, damp weather last year) would rank them top to bottom in taste last year as Russian Persimmon, Kellogg's Breakfast, and lastly Persimmon. They are all good tomatoes with that
as I put it, anold fashioned tomato taste. Not too sweet but still a balance between acids and sugar. This however is a matter of taste.
And yes I believe that the weather does effect the taste of tomatoes.

Hi Grungy. It was you who gave me that Russian Persimmon and spoke highly of it. See, I remember some things!

But remind me was it the Black Russian or the Russian Black you preferred.

Lumierefere,

I grow all my tomatoes in 5 gallons containers, so I would think you would be OK (unless it gets really hot where you are - then use larger, light coloured ones).

As for the picture, I think that has been answered by Garrett -

So, the process would be something like this:

1. Take the picture
2. Connect your camera to computer and upload the picture(s)
3. Create an account with an image hosting site
4. Upload pictures from your computer to the hosting site
5. Copy and paste the URL of the picture you want to post (I also click on the URL button in the message box- but not sure is this is required??).

Best of luck,
I'll be sure to look into this ... hopefully it is as easy as I've just said. LOL

-Garrett-

Okay as to the growing the RP in a bucket. That's a possibility. I read that it's not too big. I had a couple very large ones in buckets last year and it was beyond my ability to cope with it.

As for the uploading of photos, I use photobucket and it works for GW but for TV, the photo doesn't appear, just the link. I'm sure it's just a little tweak to do that I'm not aware of.

Thanks for the help.

Barb

Although both were good tomatoes - love the subtle "smoky" flavor of the the blacks (most of them have it and it hard to describe) I like the Russian Black slightly better.

I thought that's what you said so that's what I put on my list for the main garden. I'll cram other things into the flower bed again.

Barb and D., 'Khurma' translates to 'Persimmon' from Russian (as you propably already figured out :) ). Is 'Russian Persimmon' the same variety as 'Khurma'? I don't know, at least the translation doesn't imply that (unless someone added 'Russian' to indicate the origin and differentiate it from the other 'Persimmon' :? )

Here is what some Russian seeds vendors say about 'Khurma':
[list]"Mid-season variety, also suitable for greenhouses. Fruits are gold/orange, 100-250g" (which is 3.5-9 oz)
"Lovely fruits with very good taste. For GH and fields. Mid-season. 115-125 days from seed germination to ripe fruit."[/list]Unfortunately none is saying whether it is a det. or indet.

I know Russian Persimmon is a determinate. I've got my Russian Persimmon seeds from Patty last year, and I loved it - very good taste. I never grew Khurma, so can't speak from my experience whether these are the same tomato

For some reason, Khurma seeds are no longer available on Russian market (I could only look them up on the 'cached' pages, and can't find it in 2006 catalogs)

You're such a resource of information, Tania! I love it.

So the American Persimmon and the Russian Persimmon/Khurma are 2 different varities. They're listed separately at TGS, altho your description sounds much more encouraging to me than the one at TGS. It's also good to know I can probably stick it in a bucket and save space in the garden.

That said, just because something is a determinate doesn't mean it's "short" and won't tip a bucket over without cinderblocks bracing it. Most of my determinates were 3'-4' last year but the New Yorker was nearly 6' tall. Good tomato but well into August before I saw anything.