my Cherokee Green...groan

[bully]

Man I really wanted this last year but waited till this year and now I have to wait till next year.

Why? because I really doubt this is Cherokee Green.
Small bushy like plant with excellent, thin skinned yellow fruit. About the size of a ping pong ball.
Absolutely delicious, God knows what it is.

Seed source?..don't ask

[cottonpicker]

Could it be Jaunne Flamme' ???

LarryD

[nctomatoman]

We had a nice set of Not-Cherokee-Green at Tomatopalooza today...small red, medium yellow, large red, large brown. Martha from VA fortunately brought the real thing!

[Earl]

I know they weren't from me. :-) I hear you and Duke may be able to make it down to the big whingding this year. Now that would really make it special for all of us, and didn't Lee say he might be able to come too from NC?

Oh yeah, about Cherokee Green, didn't Carolyn say it [Or was it Cherokee Chocolate that] tasted about like Cherokee Purple, which is a top ten, so just imagine you're eating a CG. :-)

[carolyn137]

Earl, Cherokee Purple and Cherokee Chocolate taste the same b'c they are the same, the only difference being the color of the fruit due to a skin epidermis mutation.

As for Cherokee Green, I love it, I do, and so far it's the very best of the green when ripes that I've grown tp date and that's quite a few of that type that I have grown.

[tylenol]

I got my seed thru a trade from a North. Cali. gardener last fall. I pulled the first fruit this afternoon after losing 4 or 5 to the heat and varmints.. I'll give a taste result in a day or 2, but would like to know if ya'll think it even looks like a Cherokee Green

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...l/IMG_0904.jpg

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Rob

[nctomatoman]

Looks pretty good to me...but the test is in the slicing! If it is green inside, you have it!

[Earl]

Ok, ok, Carolyn, Cherokee Green is on my 07 list. People are gonna think I'm crazy giving them all these green tomatoes. I'm growing Green Giant, Grub's Mystery Green, Humph, Lime Green Salad, Green Grape. :-) I've been around you guys so long I'm so incorrigibly corruptable I can't stand myself. LOL.

[nctomatoman]

Well, Earl, Green Giant did it again at Tomatopalooza - mine are not ripe yet, but Lee planted a few of my seedlings at a remote location - and it was the best tomato I ate all day (actually, Earl's Faux - from your seed - was also superb!). Are you close to harvesting Green Giant yet?

[keithaxis]

the one pictured looks a lot like my jaune flamme..

are my Aunt Ruby's German Green going to be similar to the Cherokee Green. here is the current state of ARGG planted in this 2foot x 8' bed on Memorial weekend...Fruit has been on vine around 10 days or so..



without flash...blurry but true color


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[Fert1]

What is the history behind Cherokee Green? Was it a mutation from Cherokee Purple or Cherokee Chocolate or did arrive on the scene in some other way, crossed seeds, etc.? I've read lots of posts about it, but none that addressed its origins.

[bully]

As for Cherokee Green, I love it, I do, and so far it's the very best of the green when ripes that I've grown tp date and that's quite a few of that type that I have grown.

Yes, thank you Carolyn, that is going to make it all the easier to wait yet another 12 months

[Teacher_Mike]

Did I send that seed to you, Bully? I don't bag blossoms - and I don't keep very good records about seed shares - so maybe it was me...(he says, backaing away slowly...)

Reason I ask is that I have a Cherokee Green this season that is producing red fruit slightly larger than a ping pong ball, good/average flavor.

Craig - the variety that you saw at 'Palooza - do you attribute it to instability, crossed seed, both? IIRC, last year we had a conversation about Lucky Cross (which was throwing similar red fruit for me) and mentioned instability...but that shouldn't be in CG, right, because its not a cross, at least not a "new" cross like LC...or am I blowing smoke?

[carolyn137]

Fert and others,

Craig sent seed of Cherokee Chocolate to Darrell Merrell in OK and he sent new saved seed back to Craig and this Cherokee Green grew out of that.

Now how one goes from Cherokee Choco to green was explained by Keith, or at least a possible explanation, after he looked into the relevant genes that could have been involved. And he says it could happen and obviously it did. Im not prepared to repeat here all of Keith's genetic explanations b'c for one thing I've forgotten all the relevant genes, etc.

So it appeared to be a spontaneous mutation that led to what we know as CG.

About two years ago I sent out some fresh CG seed and there were a couple of folks who got reds from it as well. Lee I remember, the few others I don't, but they all seemed to live in the south, and I have no idea what that might mean. I've listed CG in the SSE Yearbook for several years now and haven't heard back from anyone who didn't get what they were supposed to.

And since I don't bag blossoms it's perfectly possible that my saved seed had a low level of X pollination with a red that shows up now and again. I may save seed from 15 CG fruits and if only one of them has a few X pollinated seeds that's enough to do it.

To the person who asked about ARGG and CG.

No, they will not be similar. ARGG is a very large green beefsteak with its own taste, while CG is much smaller, more flattened and with it's own taste.

Both are great green when ripes but they are not similar as to size and shape and taste.

[bully]

Did I send that seed to you, Bully? I don't bag blossoms - and I don't keep very good records about seed shares - so maybe it was me...(he says, backaing away slowly...)

If you did don't beat yourself up over it, I don't keep to good a track of that stuff either..God only knows what I sent you in return

Some of the big trades I do keep good track of and if this isn't Kardinal as my neighbors Gregori Altai wasn't Gregori's Altai, Giant Syrian wasn't GS,Livingston's Favorite wasn't LFav...then I'm flying to a certain Eastern European country with a good old fashioned American baseball bat on my lap.