Texwine

creister · February 11, 2016

Anyone know if it is RL or PL? I have two seedlings of each leaf type coming up.

Thanks,
Curt

AlittleSalt · February 11, 2016

Texwine is Brandywine x NAR bred for heat and drought tolerance. A sister is Dixiewine.

I'll be growing it in the Fall garden, but I don't know if it is PL or RL. I haven't found that info yet.

EDIT: I did find more info supporting that they can be either - but are more often RL - it's at GardenWeb - houzz

sjamesNorway · February 11, 2016

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Originally Posted by creister

Anyone know if it is RL or PL? I have two seedlings of each leaf type coming up.

Thanks,
Curt

This is a quote from Travis from the "Marsha's 2016 Seeds for SASE offer" thread, post #39:

Texwine is a line of extra large, late season, red beefsteak tomatoes of excellent flavor, compact indeterminate growth, and good hotset ability, bred from Brandywine x Neves Azorean Red. I sent F2 seeds to Susan Anderson in Elgin Texas, and she returned F3 and F4 seeds from which I attempted to stabilize the regular leaf, red tomato line. However, the best vines I kept seeds from apparently were still unstable for potato leaf foliage, and an occasional PL seedling will pop up.

travis · February 12, 2016

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Originally Posted by sjamesNorway

This is a quote from Travis from the "Marsha's 2016 Seeds for SASE offer" thread, post #39:

Texwine is a line of extra large, late season, red beefsteak tomatoes of excellent flavor, compact indeterminate growth, and good hotset ability, bred from Brandywine x Neves Azorean Red. I sent F2 seeds to Susan Anderson in Elgin Texas, and she returned F3 and F4 seeds from which I attempted to stabilize the regular leaf, red tomato line. However, the best vines I kept seeds from apparently were still unstable for potato leaf foliage, and an occasional PL seedling will pop up.

Thank you for posting this, James. I have posted more lengthy explanations, but this one suffices.

In addition, when I discovered that my regular leaf saved seeds did indeed give up to 25% potato leaf sprouts even in the F4, I saved a few of the potato leaf plants, and found they yield basically the same size, shape, color and flavored fruit, also late midseason.

However, to avoid confusion, when shared some of the potato leaf seeds with a few friends, I labeled them Lone Star Steak Out.

Sorry for releasing the seed before it was stable. I hope those who are growing it enjoy the results. It was one of my earliest hybrid/grow-out projects, started in 2006.

Worth1 · February 11, 2016

Why would anyone want to ruin a perfectly good tomato like NAR by crossing Brandywine with it?

P

Worth

greyghost · February 11, 2016

Kurt, Bill wrote a fairly long explanation about Texwine at idig--it's
under one of Camo's taste tests, very similar to the explanation Steve
posted. I found the RL and PL fruits to be the same. Darlene

travis · February 12, 2016

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Originally Posted by Worth1

Why would anyone want to ruin a perfectly good tomato like NAR by crossing Brandywine with it?

P

Worth

Good Question!

Simply explained, it was one of my first successful hybrids, the cross made in 2006, and subsequent F-generations were fun to grow and select.

Some results improve the flavor of the Brandywine parent, in my opinion. Other selections have given a more compact plant than either parent, and I like that.

You are correct that NAR is a fantastic tomato.

Worth1 · February 12, 2016

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Originally Posted by travis

Good Question!

Simply explained, it was one of my first successful hybrids, the cross made in 2006, and subsequent F-generations were fun to grow and select.

Some results improve the flavor of the Brandywine parent, in my opinion. Other selections have given a more compact plant than either parent, and I like that.

You are correct that NAR is a fantastic tomato.

Thanks for the answer I was thinking it was to improve the flavor of NAR.

I like to compact plant idea.

AKmark · February 11, 2016

I found it to be RL, it was a deep red tomato that was good, but I did not think it was excellent. I did like Dixiewine a bit better, it greatly resembled NAR.

travis · February 12, 2016

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Originally Posted by AKmark

I found it to be RL, it was a deep red tomato that was good, but I did not think it was excellent. I did like Dixiewine a bit better, it greatly resembled NAR.

I have never grown Dixiewine. Glad to hear it closely resembles NAR.

DIxiewine went thru a more advanced selection than did Texwine. I first sent 36 seeds of the F2 cross to Tom Micholas in New Jersey. He shared seeds with Raybo in California, both men concentrating on the regular leaf selections.

Raybo sent seeds to Mike Owen in Washington State ... I believe I was told it was Mike Owen. And then Mike Owen sent seeds he had selected to Marianne Jones in Dickson, Tennessee.

Marianne Jones grew her selection for a couple of years, and asked me what she should name it. Together we came up with Dixiewine for a name.

From all I have heard, Dixiewine has remained stable for regular leaf foliage ever since Tom Micholas first selected for RL and red fruit. He did so because, like Worth, he thinks more highly of NAR than he does of Brandywine

creister · February 11, 2016

Since it is supposed to be RL, I will just grow those. Not sure if I will grow out the PL.

UFXEFU · February 11, 2016

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Originally Posted by creister

Since it is supposed to be RL, I will just grow those. Not sure if I will grow out the PL.

It's hard for me to abort any seedlings. I've got 140 + seedlings on my dinning room table. I can't grow out that many plants, but will try to find homes for the extras.

I'm prolife.

I've even grown volunteers just to see what I get.

imp · February 11, 2016

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Originally Posted by UFXEFU

It's hard for me to abort any seedlings. I've got 140 + seedlings on my dinning room table. I can't grow out that many plants, but will try to find homes for the extras.

I'm prolife.

I've even grown volunteers just to see what I get.

I am pro life for plants and some things, but there is a growing list of people on my should've never arrived on the planet Earth list at times!!!

imp · February 11, 2016

Oh, no, now I want to add those two to my want list!!!

creister · February 12, 2016

Interesting conversations for sure. I have Dixiewine seeds but didn't plant any this year. I think I still have some seeds labeled NAR x Brandywine from Ray. I grew it one year, not much production, but liked the flavor for sure. I chose to grow Texwine, as it was selected for heat tolerance, or so the story goes.

February 11, 2016	#1
creister Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Abilene, TX zone 7 Posts: 1,478	Texwine Anyone know if it is RL or PL? I have two seedlings of each leaf type coming up. Thanks, Curt

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AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	Texwine is Brandywine x NAR bred for heat and drought tolerance. A sister is Dixiewine. I'll be growing it in the Fall garden, but I don't know if it is PL or RL. I haven't found that info yet. EDIT: I did find more info supporting that they can be either - but are more often RL - it's at GardenWeb - houzz Last edited by AlittleSalt; February 11, 2016 at 01:20 PM.

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Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	Why would anyone want to ruin a perfectly good tomato like NAR by crossing Brandywine with it?P Worth

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February 11, 2016	#6
greyghost Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: southeastern PA Posts: 760	Kurt, Bill wrote a fairly long explanation about Texwine at idig--it's under one of Camo's taste tests, very similar to the explanation Steve posted. I found the RL and PL fruits to be the same. Darlene

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AKmark Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Wasilla Alaska Posts: 2,010	I found it to be RL, it was a deep red tomato that was good, but I did not think it was excellent. I did like Dixiewine a bit better, it greatly resembled NAR.

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imp Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Wichita Falls, Texas Posts: 4,832	Oh, no, now I want to add those two to my want list!!!

February 12, 2016	#15
creister Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Abilene, TX zone 7 Posts: 1,478	Interesting conversations for sure. I have Dixiewine seeds but didn't plant any this year. I think I still have some seeds labeled NAR x Brandywine from Ray. I grew it one year, not much production, but liked the flavor for sure. I chose to grow Texwine, as it was selected for heat tolerance, or so the story goes.