Potato leaf Red Brandywine

Daylilyfanatic4 · May 20, 2011

I recently acquired red brandywine seeds from a trade. When I grew the seed I ended up ( much to my suprise) with a potato leaf tomato. Before I assume that this is some sort of mislabeling I wanted to make sure that there are no potato leaf red brandywine out there.

tam91 · May 20, 2011

There is a potato leaf "red brandywine". TGS sells it. However, it is not the real red brandywine.

coloken · May 20, 2011

Yes, there is a PL tomato called red BW, but it is not the true red BW or BW red. It is a pretty god tomato from all reports. It is too bad that some sellers still list it without telling you what it is. Actually the true red BW is hard to find. Many discussions on this here. My understanding is the the true RL red BW is in fact not a BW at all, but on its own,

RayR · May 20, 2011

There is thread about the PL Red Brandywine from not long ago here

I also have some PL Red Brandywine plants growing. Never grew them before.

Daylilyfanatic4 · May 20, 2011

Well I guess I have the Potato leaf red brandywine. Can anyone tell me about this variety? A description from reimer seeds reads as follows

85 days. Lycopersicon esculentum. Plant produces high yields of 12 oz red beefsteak tomatoes. Tomatoes have a sweet rich tomato flavor and turn red when mature. Excellent for salads and sandwiches. It is named after the Brandywine River in Pennsylvania, USA. This is the potato leaf brandywine variety. A heirloom variety from the USA. Indeterminate. pk/10

That sounds a lot like the Landis strain which is what I was orginaly looking for. Is this potato leaf tomato somehow connected to the landis red brandywine? If not where is this tomato from? It seems to be a pre 1900 variety so someone must have grown it.

I'm interested in using the variety I have in a breeding project, so before I go making crosses I want to make sure I know exactly what I have.

Daylilyfanatic4 · May 20, 2011

I emailed the person I orginally got the seeds from and apparently it is NOT red brandywine at all. He had a labeling mix up and his "pink brandywines" got labeled as red.

I'm now trying to figure out what strain of "pink brandywine" this plant is. He said he got the seeds from Cami Chef from PA Since I is next to O on the keyboard I assuming that he meant tville member camochef. Anyway if your out there and keep really good trading records maybe you could tell me what strain of brandywine you sent to a particular person back in 2009?

Since that is probably impossible can anyone give me any clues on how to differentiate between cowlicks sudduth's and "regular" strains if it is even possible. Thanks for the help.

coloken · May 20, 2011

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Originally Posted by Daylilyfanatic4

I emailed the person I orginally got the seeds from and apparently it is NOT red brandywine at all. He had a labeling mix up and his "pink brandywines" got labeled as red.

I'm now trying to figure out what strain of "pink brandywine" this plant is. He said he got the seeds from Cami Chef from PA Since I is next to O on the keyboard I assuming that he meant tville member camochef. Anyway if your out there and keep really good trading records maybe you could tell me what strain of brandywine you sent to a particular person back in 2009?

Since that is probably impossible can anyone give me any clues on how to differentiate between cowlicks sudduth's and "regular" strains if it is even possible. Thanks for the help.

If it is pink and PL it could be any one of a whole bunch of brandy wines and brandy wine named related, EXCEPT the TRUE RED BRANDY WINE.
Grow it and enjoy...there are a lot of mis-named seeds out there from name brand suppliers. (ask me how I know).

TZ-OH6 · May 20, 2011

It was supposedly sent out (mislabeled) by the seed farm Seeds by Design in California. There is no history before that that anyone knows of, which is odd because red beefsteak potatoleaf varieties are very rare. Many seed venders got that seed when they asked the wholesaler for Red Brandywine.

I grew it a couple of years ago from Tomatofest seed. It did better for me than Mortgage Lifter. It's a average-big indeterminant with good flavor one pound beefsteaks. I don't remember it being overly acid or overly sweet. Production was decent.

FILMNET · May 20, 2011

MY PL Brandywine plant last year

**carolyn137** · May 20, 2011

Knowing Camo in PA I will have to assume that the seeds sent are what he calls Cowlicks Brandywine . He got a plant at a nursery with that name and thought it did exceptianlly well for him so named it Cowlicks.

But I don't see it as one of the recognized strains of Brandywine and probably the folks at that nursery didn't know what they had either.

So grow it, enjoy it, and don't worry about it all that much although I will mention that Cowlicks has both a PL and RL version as folks have found out with the passage of time.

Not nice of me but with all the great places to get tomato seed Reimer's would be close to the bottom of any list Imigh have although I probably wouldn't even put them on a list.

No time to edit, T-storm approaching.

camochef · May 20, 2011

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

Knowing Camo in PA I will have to assume that the seeds sent are what he calls Cowlicks Brandywine . He got a plant at a nursery with that name and thought it did exceptianlly well for him so named it Cowlicks.

But I don't see it as one of the recognized strains of Brandywine and probably the folks at that nursery didn't know what they had either.

So grow it, enjoy it, and don't worry about it all that much although I will mention that Cowlicks has both a PL and RL version as folks have found out with the passage of time.

Not nice of me but with all the great places to get tomato seed Reimer's would be close to the bottom of any list Imigh have although I probably wouldn't even put them on a list.

No time to edit, T-storm approaching.

Carolyn,
During the time period mentioned, I did send out many Cowlick Brandywine seeds all over the world. They were all Potato-leafed and continueed to be until I received a bunch of R.L. seeds back from Jon in Ala., who got his seed from another person in N.C. Not sure if to many people handling seeds created a mix-up or not...but all that I've grown from my own seed have always been Potato Leafed.
During that same period I also sent out Brandywine-Glick's and Brandywine-Sudduth's to many, so they could compare them to Cowlick's. Also sent plain old Brandywine and Brandywine Pink as well as different Black Brandywines. Most that I send seeds to get between 40-50 packs of seeds in a mailing and many are Brandywines or similar varieties. ( Ed's Millenium, Earl's Faux, Limbaugh's Legacy, Barlow Jap, Stump of the World, etc).
While I have grown both Regular Leafed and Potato-Leafed Red Brandywines...I sent out very few seeds to others. I don't recall ever sending any P.L. red Brandywines but cannot swear to that.
As you know, I love Brandywines and Brandywine crosses (Liz Birt, Dora, Gary O'Sena, Bear Creek) as well as DDRXBR-C which I'm growing a few plants of again this year.
Oh, The Original "Cowlick's" was labeled either "Brandywine" or "Pink Brandywine", but it out-performed the 20 other Brandywines I was growing that first year both in Taste and Production and did so up till the last day of Oct when a killing frost did it in. It was the only tomato still producing and was still loaded with large green tomatoes then.
I sent seed to a friend in SW Kansas who never had good luck growing Brandywines and they did very well for him. Since then they've been sent to every state in the USA and to many other countries and they have done well for most.
I admit that last year in the extreme heat and drought here, they didn't perform as well as they have in the past and my BW-Glick's and BW-Sudduth's actually did better for the first time since 2006.
So far this year is like 2009, much cooler and wetter than normal, so we'll see what they all do as well as a few new ones! Enjoy! and Good Luck with your gardens and the weather.
Camo

**carolyn137** · May 20, 2011

Camo, maybe you and daylily can get together via PM and he can tell you who he got the seeds from, who got them from you, and maybe find out which seeds you sent to that person.

I keep a notebook with the names/addresses of all the varieties I send to a person, aside from my SSE listings and SASE free seed offers at Tville, but I don't know if you or others keep such a notebook.

Jeannine Anne · May 20, 2011

Well this is interesting. I raise tomato plants for sharing in a community garden. A tray of 40 plants turned up as a gift for the cause a few weeks ago, all different,among them was a Cowlicks. I have never grown one so kept it for myself.

Thanks for the info.

XX Jeannine

JoeP · May 21, 2011

I am growing a PL red brandywine this year. I understand that it is a decent tomato but can anyone who has grown it tell me if it tastes at all like the real RL Red Brandywine?

Is it any earlier or later than RL RBW?

Related fun fact: I bought a plant locally that was labeled Pink Brandywine but was RL. The write up on the card said "Potato Leafed". I bought it knowing it didn't match the label hoping that it was Red Brandywine (my 1st attemp at seed starting has not gone very well so purchased plants for insurance). I even called the nursery who was aware of the RL/PL mismatch but said that they were growing one out for themselves and first fruit appears to be a beefsteak (slightly ribbed) and they suspect it will be pink. I am still hoping for a Red Brandywine or at least a good tomato.

b54red · May 21, 2011

I can say that Cowlicks is probably one of the tougher Brandywine strains because it grew and produced here in my garden and even survived TSWV for nearly 2 months while still putting on fruit. This year I have for the first time in 5 attempts gotten fruit set on a Brandywine Sudduth's. Usually it died before fruit set in my garden. I am also growing Brandywine Terhune and OTV. They have both set fruit but the OTV is not looking too good nor has it set more than a couple of toms.
I hope they all survive so I can taste some vine ripened Brandywines of different strains and compare the taste. So far Stump of the World is still on the top of the list for large pink tomatoes.

May 20, 2011	#1
Daylilyfanatic4 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Zone 6 SE NY Posts: 64	Potato leaf Red Brandywine I recently acquired red brandywine seeds from a trade. When I grew the seed I ended up ( much to my suprise) with a potato leaf tomato. Before I assume that this is some sort of mislabeling I wanted to make sure that there are no potato leaf red brandywine out there. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DLF

May 20, 2011	#2
tam91 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Crystal Lake IL Posts: 2,484	There is a potato leaf "red brandywine". TGS sells it. However, it is not the real red brandywine. __________________ Tracy

May 20, 2011	#5
Daylilyfanatic4 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Zone 6 SE NY Posts: 64	Well I guess I have the Potato leaf red brandywine. Can anyone tell me about this variety? A description from reimer seeds reads as follows 85 days. Lycopersicon esculentum. Plant produces high yields of 12 oz red beefsteak tomatoes. Tomatoes have a sweet rich tomato flavor and turn red when mature. Excellent for salads and sandwiches. It is named after the Brandywine River in Pennsylvania, USA. This is the potato leaf brandywine variety. A heirloom variety from the USA. Indeterminate. pk/10 That sounds a lot like the Landis strain which is what I was orginaly looking for. Is this potato leaf tomato somehow connected to the landis red brandywine? If not where is this tomato from? It seems to be a pre 1900 variety so someone must have grown it. I'm interested in using the variety I have in a breeding project, so before I go making crosses I want to make sure I know exactly what I have. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DLF

May 20, 2011	#6
Daylilyfanatic4 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Zone 6 SE NY Posts: 64	I emailed the person I orginally got the seeds from and apparently it is NOT red brandywine at all. He had a labeling mix up and his "pink brandywines" got labeled as red. I'm now trying to figure out what strain of "pink brandywine" this plant is. He said he got the seeds from Cami Chef from PA Since I is next to O on the keyboard I assuming that he meant tville member camochef. Anyway if your out there and keep really good trading records maybe you could tell me what strain of brandywine you sent to a particular person back in 2009? Since that is probably impossible can anyone give me any clues on how to differentiate between cowlicks sudduth's and "regular" strains if it is even possible. Thanks for the help. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DLF

May 20, 2011	#10
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Knowing Camo in PA I will have to assume that the seeds sent are what he calls Cowlicks Brandywine . He got a plant at a nursery with that name and thought it did exceptianlly well for him so named it Cowlicks. But I don't see it as one of the recognized strains of Brandywine and probably the folks at that nursery didn't know what they had either. So grow it, enjoy it, and don't worry about it all that much although I will mention that Cowlicks has both a PL and RL version as folks have found out with the passage of time. Not nice of me but with all the great places to get tomato seed Reimer's would be close to the bottom of any list Imigh have although I probably wouldn't even put them on a list. No time to edit, T-storm approaching. __________________ Carolyn

May 20, 2011	#3
coloken Tomatovillian™ Honoree Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NE Co Posts: 303	Yes, there is a PL tomato called red BW, but it is not the true red BW or BW red. It is a pretty god tomato from all reports. It is too bad that some sellers still list it without telling you what it is. Actually the true red BW is hard to find. Many discussions on this here. My understanding is the the true RL red BW is in fact not a BW at all, but on its own,

May 20, 2011	#4
RayR Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Cheektowaga, NY Posts: 2,466	There is thread about the PL Red Brandywine from not long ago here I also have some PL Red Brandywine plants growing. Never grew them before.

May 20, 2011	#8
TZ-OH6 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mid-Ohio Posts: 847	It was supposedly sent out (mislabeled) by the seed farm Seeds by Design in California. There is no history before that that anyone knows of, which is odd because red beefsteak potatoleaf varieties are very rare. Many seed venders got that seed when they asked the wholesaler for Red Brandywine. I grew it a couple of years ago from Tomatofest seed. It did better for me than Mortgage Lifter. It's a average-big indeterminant with good flavor one pound beefsteaks. I don't remember it being overly acid or overly sweet. Production was decent.

May 20, 2011	#9
FILMNET Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North Charleston,South Carolina, USA Posts: 1,803	MY PL Brandywine plant last year

May 20, 2011	#13
Jeannine Anne Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,553	Well this is interesting. I raise tomato plants for sharing in a community garden. A tray of 40 plants turned up as a gift for the cause a few weeks ago, all different,among them was a Cowlicks. I have never grown one so kept it for myself. Thanks for the info. XX Jeannine

May 21, 2011	#14
JoeP Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Posts: 97	I am growing a PL red brandywine this year. I understand that it is a decent tomato but can anyone who has grown it tell me if it tastes at all like the real RL Red Brandywine? Is it any earlier or later than RL RBW? Related fun fact: I bought a plant locally that was labeled Pink Brandywine but was RL. The write up on the card said "Potato Leafed". I bought it knowing it didn't match the label hoping that it was Red Brandywine (my 1st attemp at seed starting has not gone very well so purchased plants for insurance). I even called the nursery who was aware of the RL/PL mismatch but said that they were growing one out for themselves and first fruit appears to be a beefsteak (slightly ribbed) and they suspect it will be pink. I am still hoping for a Red Brandywine or at least a good tomato.

May 21, 2011	#15
b54red Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,068	I can say that Cowlicks is probably one of the tougher Brandywine strains because it grew and produced here in my garden and even survived TSWV for nearly 2 months while still putting on fruit. This year I have for the first time in 5 attempts gotten fruit set on a Brandywine Sudduth's. Usually it died before fruit set in my garden. I am also growing Brandywine Terhune and OTV. They have both set fruit but the OTV is not looking too good nor has it set more than a couple of toms. I hope they all survive so I can taste some vine ripened Brandywines of different strains and compare the taste. So far Stump of the World is still on the top of the list for large pink tomatoes.