General discussion regarding the techniques and methods used to successfully grow tomato plants in containers.
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Brooksville FL, zone 9a
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the 'recipe' I use for my soil less mix calls for pine bark fines; I've looked high and low for these where I am at, and to no avail. They're either too small, or too big.
They're listed as 'orchid bark' on the internet but they're only available in small bags, and are really expensive, so that's not an option either. I found cedar mulch that was the right size (about 3/8") so will this work as a substitute for the pine bark mulch? It is available locally and is reasonable in price. |
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Campbell, CA
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Yes, This will work well in containers. Something called microbark at many Home Depots is what I recommend - but anything of this size, as long as it is from coniferous trees will work.
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Virginia, USA
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This what I use. Right now I can only find it at one walmart.
http://www.timberlineyard.com/pr_soil_conditioner.htm If I had to I would use this. It's available at Lowes and walmarts and home depot and possibly at some other stores. Purple bag in the upper left. http://www.timberlineyard.com/pr_mulches.htm |
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Virginia, USA
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Ray can you give a link to that stuff? I can't locate on the home depot site. It would be great to find an alternative.
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Tomatovillian™
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Location: Campbell, CA
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http://www.homedepot.com/p/Earthgro-...2185/100355687 Not available in all stores.... ![]() Raybo |
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Virginia, USA
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Thanks. Seems to be the case.
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Zone 5b - Blue Springs, MO
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I find them called soil condtioner at the local nursery. Lowes and HD don't have anything worthwhile around here.
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: St Paul, MN
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Ameruni, do you have access to a shredder? If so, it's very easy to make large quantities of reasonably fine bark fines by running a bag or two of the mulch (or even nuggets) through, into a bag or onto a tarp. I try to keep a barrel of these on hand for my potting mixes. Works great.
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Grosse Pointe Shores, MI
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Ameruni, where in Michigan are you? I am in the Detroit area and have found a suitable pine fines product at English Gardens. I used their soil conditioner the first year, but last year used another product from them (the name of which escapes me at the moment), but it was half the price of the soil conditioner, which was composted.
Anyway, short story long, my tomatoes have done well in both. I didn't get too hung up on the exact size...as long as it's not big chunks, and not fine ground, it worked for me. I haven't been to EG lately, but I will check for the exact name next time I visit. (Maybe this gives me a reason to go tomorrow!) For some reason, I remember that cedar is not a good replacement for pine.
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I have searched high and low for Pine bark fines, without any success, strange when you consider our area is in the middle of the lumber business.
Today I called into a local nursery, just on the off chance they might have some, lucked in. The boss offered me a bale of the custom blend they use, it's good stuff. You should see the quality of their container grown tomatoes, first class. The custom blend has 18% bark fines, plus, plus, shipped in believe it or not from New Brunswick, miles away from us. So here's an idea, try your local nursery, rather than the big box stores, they really don't know what they're selling, just head office buying. |
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Parma, Ohio (6a)
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For anyone in Northeast Ohio, Maria Gardens in North Royalton carries pine bark fines.
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Montreal
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I could not find pine bark fines last year and ended up with hemlock mulch with promix. I'm leaving out the fines this year and going with the pro-mix, compost , and ferts and crossing my fingers.
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Michigan Zone 6a
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I had planned on using Pine Bark Mulch from the orange box to replace the pine bark fines (that I cannot locate). Can anyone advise as to if they think this would provide an acceptable solution? To big? I have attached a link. Thanks
Dave http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded...3944/100350635 |
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I am now very cautious with stuff from the HD. I bought seed mixture last year, nothing would grow in it. This year I bought peat moss, it was just dust, horrible stuff, won't buy from them again. Might I suggest you try the local 'large' nursery, one who grows their own plants. I spoke with the local, he gets a custom blend from Nova Scotia, 18% Pine Bark, really nice looking stuff, for the same price as the HD. |
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Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Michigan Zone 6a
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Yes I have had similar experiences with HD. A few months ago I purchased a couple bags of MG Organic Choice potting mix. They loaded it in my truck while I paid for it. When I got home each bag weighed 80 maybe 100 lbs. They had it outside all winter and it had filled with water and frozen into a huge brick. HD stores all there unsold inventory outside during the winter. I went to pick up some Pro-Mix HP and it was still frozen in the center. I wrote the manufacturer (of Pro-Mix) and they said the product would be useable. Thanks for the advice, I will check the local nursery(s).
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