Mainly Sicilian, Italian Listings- Seed Savers Exchange

Sicilianu · July 13, 2015

Hey Everyone!
I very recently began to list some varieties on Seed Savers Exchange and would like to share the list here. For any SSE members, info and pictures can be found here: https://exchange.seedsavers.org/cata...mber&mem=14871

You can request seeds through SSE or I can give a few seeds for free as well so see this as a list of what I have available. Contact me for pictures.

ALCARA CHERRY
Traditional Sicilian cherry type from Alcara Li Fusi. Not very sweet. Used in salads or added to sauce.

ALCARA GLOBE
This is a traditional variety of Alcara Li Fusi, a village in the Nebrodi Mountains of northeastern Sicily, Italy. After growing out heirloom seeds from the village, different variations were found (see other listings). One plant produced an abundant harvest of medium red globe-shaped tomatoes with slight pleating and this is the one offered here. This type is ideal for sauce-making and the flavor is very good fresh as well.

ALCARA PEAR
This is a traditional variety of Alcara Li Fusi, a village in the Nebrodi Mountains of northeastern Sicily, Italy. After growing out heirloom seeds from the village, different variations were found (see other listings). One plant produced red pear-shaped tomatoes and this is the one offered here. This type is ideal for sauce-making and the flavor is very good fresh as well.

ALCARA PINK
This is a traditional variety of Alcara Li Fusi, a village in the Nebrodi Mountains of northeastern Sicily, Italy. After growing out heirloom seeds from the village, different variations were found (see other listings). Most of them produced large/medium pink tomatoes and this is the one offered here. This type is ideal for sauce-making and the flavor is very good fresh as well.

CORLEONESE
A very compact and drought-tolerant variety traditionally cultivated around the town of Corleone in the Palermo Province of Sicily, Italy. Very good for sauce and paste. The seeds were collected from fruits bought at the historic Ballaro' Market in Palermo.

FIASCHETTO DI MANDURIA
Fiaschetto di Manduria is a traditional drought-tolerant variety from southern Puglia in Southern Italy used for sauce, drying, and salads. The image is of a plant producing under severe drought/water-stress conditions in Southern California.

FIASCHETTO DI MANDURIA X CHEROKEE CHOCOLATE F2
Cherokee chocolate is a well-known heirloom from Tennessee and Fiaschetto di Manduria is a traditional Southern Italian variety from Puglia (see the listings for each of these more info). An F1 hybrid of these varieties was successfully produced and photos of this F1 are included here. The seeds offered are the self-cross of this F1, and therefore the F2. The F2 will have a wide diversity of shapes, sizes, tastes, and colors so this might be interesting as selection material for anyone who would like to try their hand at breeding. For instance 1/4 of the plants will produce black tomatoes and 1/4 of them will be oblong. There will be differences in size, shape, taste, determinate vs. indeterminate plant habit etc.

PACHINO
The Pachino cherry tomato, grown in Pachino in the extreme south of Sicily, Italy is famous for its taste when dried or preserved. Most Pachino tomatoes are of the Noemi F1 variety and these seeds are likely the selected F3 of this variety.

RUSSO SICILIAN (TOGETTA)
Russo Sicilian is a Sicilian tomato which is great for stuffing, sauce, and paste. It is many times written as "Di Togetta" which would mean "from Togetta" but there is no such town in Sicily. It is likely a typo of Torretta which is a town in Palermo Province.

SAN MARZANO 'SACCONE'
The San Marzano tomato, one of the best for making sauce or paste, originates from the Campania region of Southern Italy. These seeds are from the type of San Marzano commonly sold in Sicilian markets.

SICCAGNO DI VALLEDOLMO
Siccagno means that this variety is a tomato which is grown under dry cultivation with little or no additional water inputs. It is extremely drought-tolerant and the plant grows very close to the ground with no need for staking. It produces a large crop of medium oval-shaped paste tomatoes which are very good quality for use in sauces and paste. It is grown in the area around Valledolmo, Sicily, and the seeds were obtained from the village of Petralia Soprana in Palermo Province.

TOMÀTIGA DE RAMELLET
This is a traditional long-storage variety from Majorca used in the Catalonia region of Spain. It is hung in bunches and is used fresh on bread in the traditional Catalan dish 'pa amb tomàquet.'

TONDINO MAREMMANO
Tondino Maremmano is a traditional variety from the Maremma region of Tuscany in Italy. Used for drying or sauce-making. The image is of a plant producing under severe drought/water-stress conditions in Southern California.

**carolyn137** · July 13, 2015

When I clicked on your link it clearly said that only Yearbook members, meaning listed members, can access that exchange.

I've been a listed SSE member since about 1989 and a long time Life Time member as well, but last Fall I requested that all my listings be deleted, and that for several reasons,my choice.

And yes, I recognize and have grown several on your list.

However, if I ever get my now very late 2015 seed off up I'll be listing the following, seeds from Roberta in Italy, who has also sent me some wonderful Parma cheeses as well as what they call Golden Bread, and yes, for those who know me well, also some Italian chocolate.

Belmonte Calabro
Cuore Di Bue Rosa
Chili, have to look up this one
Cuore Di Bue Albenga
Belmonte Costoluto
Licata Rosa, I think

And if you look at my recent annual seed offers here you'll see many others from Italy as well as Spain, etc.

Just wanted to post , again, it's only Listed SSE members who can participate in that exchange according to the window that comes up, not the majority of SSE members who are not listed members so don't list varieties in the annual Yearbooks.

Hope that helps,

Carolyn

Sicilianu · July 13, 2015

Quote:

Originally Posted by carolyn137

When I clicked on your link it clearly said that only Yearbook members, meaning listed members, can access that exchange.

I've been a listed SSE member since about 1989 and a long time Life Time member as well, but last Fall I requested that all my listings be deleted, and that for several reasons,my choice.

And yes, I recognize and have grown several on your list.

However, if I ever get my now very late 2015 seed off up I'll be listing the following, seeds from Roberta in Italy, who has also sent me some wonderful Parma cheeses as well as what they call Golden Bread, and yes, for those who know me well, also some Italian chocolate.

Belmonte Calabro
Cuore Di Bue Rosa
Chili, have to look up this one
Cuore Di Bue Albenga
Belmonte Costoluto
Licata Rosa, I think

And if you look at my recent annual seed offers here you'll see many others from Italy as well as Spain, etc.

Just wanted to post , again, it's only Listed SSE members who can participate in that exchange according to the window that comes up, not the majority of SSE members who are not listed members so don't list varieties in the annual Yearbooks.

Hope that helps,

Carolyn

Thank you Carolyn for your comments and I didn't know it was restricted to listing members.

Douglas_OW · July 13, 2015

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sicilianu

Thank you Carolyn for your comments and I didn't know it was restricted to listing members.

A minor clarification. The banner that comes up in the original link states:
"Only current yearbook members may search for results by member."

This means that non-SSE members cannot search for listings by using the lister's name.

But, anyone access the online SSE Yearbook at:

https://exchange.seedsavers.org/catalog/index.aspx

and search by variety name for these tomatoes.
I think each one has a description and picture.
It looks like Sicilianu is the only one listing these particular varieties this year.

If Sicilianu is making an offer for seeds, perhaps he could crosspost this in the Available for Trade forum.

Jim

**carolyn137** · July 13, 2015

And this is what I found when I looked at the Seed Exchange site and clicked around a bit.

https://exchange.seedsavers.org/logi...t%2findex.aspx

In order to participate you have to be an SSE member, and that means either a listed or non-listed member.

So not all have access to the exchange.

I never could really understand WHY they started the exchange when an SSE member can list in the Yearbook, the paper and/ or online, the latter is not the Exchange.

When Joanne was still there I had her upload my listings to the online and never again, but that is now redundant with my essentially leaving SSE. There were so many hoops a requesting person had to go through to get contact info for the person they wanted seeds from . Maybe it's different now, but they had to contact SSE itself for that contact information which I think is good b'c having that kind of info public is NOT good in terms of privacy issuesl

I'd like to think that SSE members, Tville members and members of other sites I've been a part of are honest, moral persons who would never take personal contact info for any reason, but that's not always true IMO

Sicilianu, I agree with Jim that you should give some consideration to listing your varieties in the TRADE seed subforum. Some are just making outright offers, such as myself, no trades wanted, and some are listing looking for trades

The two seed subforums are only for registered Tville members and there really isn't all that much action, usually, for most, until early Fall.

Carolyn

Gardeneer · July 13, 2015

I know 2 Italian Tomatoes : Roma, and San Marzano. hehe
Unfortunately both of them had been BER prone in my garden. That was years ago.

I wanna know one real good mid season Italian Beefsteak type. I love Italian food, ..pasta, seafood.cheese..So why not an Italian pomodoro.

Gardeneer.

**carolyn137** · July 14, 2015

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardeneer

I know 2 Italian Tomatoes : Roma, and San Marzano. hehe
Unfortunately both of them had been BER prone in my garden. That was years ago.

I wanna know one real good mid season Italian Beefsteak type. I love Italian food, ..pasta, seafood.cheese..So why not an Italian pomodoro.

Gardeneer.

I can't speak to midseason since that depends on where someone is growing them.

But here are some large ones that I've found to be excellent, most but not all are on Tania's list of Italian ones.

Casino
George Detsikas Italian Red
Belmonte
Gildo Pietroboni
Matt d' Imperio
Provenzano
Spadaro

( and any of the Albenga ones, which one might describe as upside down hearts)

And in a post above I listed some that would be in my 2015 now very late seed offer coming up, I hope, in a few weeks.

Carolyn

Sicilianu · July 14, 2015

Carolyn and Jim, I would love to list them in the trade subforum. I looked around for it but didn't see it. Could you post a link? Thanks!

ginger2778 · July 14, 2015

Available for trade subforum link:

http://www.tomatoville.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65

Gardeneer · July 14, 2015

Thanks Carolyn.
I will take a note of it.

Gardeneer.

July 13, 2015	#1
Sicilianu Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 33	Mainly Sicilian, Italian Listings- Seed Savers Exchange Hey Everyone! I very recently began to list some varieties on Seed Savers Exchange and would like to share the list here. For any SSE members, info and pictures can be found here: https://exchange.seedsavers.org/cata...mber&mem=14871 You can request seeds through SSE or I can give a few seeds for free as well so see this as a list of what I have available. Contact me for pictures. ALCARA CHERRY Traditional Sicilian cherry type from Alcara Li Fusi. Not very sweet. Used in salads or added to sauce. ALCARA GLOBE This is a traditional variety of Alcara Li Fusi, a village in the Nebrodi Mountains of northeastern Sicily, Italy. After growing out heirloom seeds from the village, different variations were found (see other listings). One plant produced an abundant harvest of medium red globe-shaped tomatoes with slight pleating and this is the one offered here. This type is ideal for sauce-making and the flavor is very good fresh as well. ALCARA PEAR This is a traditional variety of Alcara Li Fusi, a village in the Nebrodi Mountains of northeastern Sicily, Italy. After growing out heirloom seeds from the village, different variations were found (see other listings). One plant produced red pear-shaped tomatoes and this is the one offered here. This type is ideal for sauce-making and the flavor is very good fresh as well. ALCARA PINK This is a traditional variety of Alcara Li Fusi, a village in the Nebrodi Mountains of northeastern Sicily, Italy. After growing out heirloom seeds from the village, different variations were found (see other listings). Most of them produced large/medium pink tomatoes and this is the one offered here. This type is ideal for sauce-making and the flavor is very good fresh as well. CORLEONESE A very compact and drought-tolerant variety traditionally cultivated around the town of Corleone in the Palermo Province of Sicily, Italy. Very good for sauce and paste. The seeds were collected from fruits bought at the historic Ballaro' Market in Palermo. FIASCHETTO DI MANDURIA Fiaschetto di Manduria is a traditional drought-tolerant variety from southern Puglia in Southern Italy used for sauce, drying, and salads. The image is of a plant producing under severe drought/water-stress conditions in Southern California. FIASCHETTO DI MANDURIA X CHEROKEE CHOCOLATE F2 Cherokee chocolate is a well-known heirloom from Tennessee and Fiaschetto di Manduria is a traditional Southern Italian variety from Puglia (see the listings for each of these more info). An F1 hybrid of these varieties was successfully produced and photos of this F1 are included here. The seeds offered are the self-cross of this F1, and therefore the F2. The F2 will have a wide diversity of shapes, sizes, tastes, and colors so this might be interesting as selection material for anyone who would like to try their hand at breeding. For instance 1/4 of the plants will produce black tomatoes and 1/4 of them will be oblong. There will be differences in size, shape, taste, determinate vs. indeterminate plant habit etc. PACHINO The Pachino cherry tomato, grown in Pachino in the extreme south of Sicily, Italy is famous for its taste when dried or preserved. Most Pachino tomatoes are of the Noemi F1 variety and these seeds are likely the selected F3 of this variety. RUSSO SICILIAN (TOGETTA) Russo Sicilian is a Sicilian tomato which is great for stuffing, sauce, and paste. It is many times written as "Di Togetta" which would mean "from Togetta" but there is no such town in Sicily. It is likely a typo of Torretta which is a town in Palermo Province. SAN MARZANO 'SACCONE' The San Marzano tomato, one of the best for making sauce or paste, originates from the Campania region of Southern Italy. These seeds are from the type of San Marzano commonly sold in Sicilian markets. SICCAGNO DI VALLEDOLMO Siccagno means that this variety is a tomato which is grown under dry cultivation with little or no additional water inputs. It is extremely drought-tolerant and the plant grows very close to the ground with no need for staking. It produces a large crop of medium oval-shaped paste tomatoes which are very good quality for use in sauces and paste. It is grown in the area around Valledolmo, Sicily, and the seeds were obtained from the village of Petralia Soprana in Palermo Province. TOMÀTIGA DE RAMELLET This is a traditional long-storage variety from Majorca used in the Catalonia region of Spain. It is hung in bunches and is used fresh on bread in the traditional Catalan dish 'pa amb tomàquet.' TONDINO MAREMMANO Tondino Maremmano is a traditional variety from the Maremma region of Tuscany in Italy. Used for drying or sauce-making. The image is of a plant producing under severe drought/water-stress conditions in Southern California.

July 13, 2015	#2
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	When I clicked on your link it clearly said that only Yearbook members, meaning listed members, can access that exchange. I've been a listed SSE member since about 1989 and a long time Life Time member as well, but last Fall I requested that all my listings be deleted, and that for several reasons,my choice. And yes, I recognize and have grown several on your list. However, if I ever get my now very late 2015 seed off up I'll be listing the following, seeds from Roberta in Italy, who has also sent me some wonderful Parma cheeses as well as what they call Golden Bread, and yes, for those who know me well, also some Italian chocolate. Belmonte Calabro Cuore Di Bue Rosa Chili, have to look up this one Cuore Di Bue Albenga Belmonte Costoluto Licata Rosa, I think And if you look at my recent annual seed offers here you'll see many others from Italy as well as Spain, etc. Just wanted to post , again, it's only Listed SSE members who can participate in that exchange according to the window that comes up, not the majority of SSE members who are not listed members so don't list varieties in the annual Yearbooks. Hope that helps, Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

July 13, 2015	#5
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	And this is what I found when I looked at the Seed Exchange site and clicked around a bit. https://exchange.seedsavers.org/logi...t%2findex.aspx In order to participate you have to be an SSE member, and that means either a listed or non-listed member. So not all have access to the exchange. I never could really understand WHY they started the exchange when an SSE member can list in the Yearbook, the paper and/ or online, the latter is not the Exchange. When Joanne was still there I had her upload my listings to the online and never again, but that is now redundant with my essentially leaving SSE. There were so many hoops a requesting person had to go through to get contact info for the person they wanted seeds from . Maybe it's different now, but they had to contact SSE itself for that contact information which I think is good b'c having that kind of info public is NOT good in terms of privacy issuesl I'd like to think that SSE members, Tville members and members of other sites I've been a part of are honest, moral persons who would never take personal contact info for any reason, but that's not always true IMO Sicilianu, I agree with Jim that you should give some consideration to listing your varieties in the TRADE seed subforum. Some are just making outright offers, such as myself, no trades wanted, and some are listing looking for trades The two seed subforums are only for registered Tville members and there really isn't all that much action, usually, for most, until early Fall. Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

July 13, 2015	#6
Gardeneer Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: NC - zone 8a - heat zone 7 Posts: 4,916	I know 2 Italian Tomatoes : Roma, and San Marzano. hehe Unfortunately both of them had been BER prone in my garden. That was years ago. I wanna know one real good mid season Italian Beefsteak type. I love Italian food, ..pasta, seafood.cheese..So why not an Italian pomodoro. Gardeneer.

July 14, 2015	#8
Sicilianu Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 33	Carolyn and Jim, I would love to list them in the trade subforum. I looked around for it but didn't see it. Could you post a link? Thanks!

July 14, 2015	#9
ginger2778 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Plantation, Florida zone 10 Posts: 9,283	Available for trade subforum link: http://www.tomatoville.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65