Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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May 17, 2009 | #1 |
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Yeah, another list - finally settled on what I'm growing this year
Indeterminates in large pots:
Mexico Midget Sunny F1 (dwarf project) Lazy F1 (dwarf project) Snowy F1 (dwarf project) JD Special C Tex Tasty F1 (dwarf project) Burgundy Traveler KBX Porky F1 (dwarf project) Lucky Cross Rosy F1 (dwarf project) Sungold F1 Cherokee Green Green Giant Cherokee Purple Little Lucky Frosty F1 (dwarf project) Cherokee Chocolate Plentiful F1 (dwarf project) Gallo Plum Ferris Wheel Ben Gantz Winsall Akers West Virginia Indeterminates in my garden between the melons: Black Cherry Galina Striped Sweetheart (from Lee) Striped Rasp Red (sport cluster of fruit in a remote garden - lg oblate red fruit, distinctly striped prior to ripening) Striped Little Lucky (from a remote garden - continuing segregation, perhaps) Dwarfs in the front row of my garden: Dwarf Lime Twist F5 Dwarf Mr. Snow F6 Dwarf Sweet Sue F7 Summertime Green F7 Dwarf Beryl Beauty F7 Dwarf Jade Beauty F7 Summertime Gold F7 Dwarf Emerald Giant F6 Dwarf Kelly Green F6 Tasmanian Chocolate F6 Rosella Crimson F6 Sweet Adelaide F6 Rosella CrimsonF6 Rosella Purple F6 Dwarf Rosella Giant F6 Dwarfs in 5 gallon containers: Tasmanian Chocolate F5 Sweet Adelaide F5 Perth Pride F5 Boronia F5 Kangaroo Paw Green F5 Kangaroo Paw Red F5 Kangaroo Paw Brown F5 Rosella Purple Boronia F5 Grizzly F2 (2 plants) Sneaky F2 (2 plants) Nosey F2 (2 plants) Loopy F2 (2 plants) Pesty F2 (2 plants) Plucky F2 (3 plants - 2 PL, 1 RL) Eventful F2 (2 plants) Dizzy F2 (3 plants - 1 RL, 2 PL) Dinky F2 (2 plants) Quirky F2 green fruited F1 (2 plants) Quirky F2 yellow fruited F1 (2 plants) Muddy F2, from my F1 (2 plants) Muddy F2 from Patrina's F1 (2 plants) Jaunty F2 (3 plants, 2 PL and 1 RL) Streaky F2 (4 plants, 2 RL and 2 PL) Dizzy F3 (2 plants) Nosey F3 (from Mike - Rosa; 1 plant if dwarf...looks indet) Grizzly F3 (from Mike - 1 plant; the other Grizzly F2 looks indet) Wilpena F3 (2 plants) Roxby Red F3 (2 plants - 1 PL, 1 RL) Banksia Queen F3 (2 plants) Brinibella F3 (1 plant) Tipsy lg Or F3 (3 plants - 2 PL, 1 RL) Tipsy PL red F3 (2 plants) Tipsy PL Yellow F3 (2 plants) Streaky #4 F3 (2 plants) Plucky #2 F3 (2 plants) Muddy #3 F3 (2 plants) Muddy #2 F3 (2 plants) Dinky #2 F3 (2 plants) Numbat A F3 (2 plants) Quirky #3 F3 (2 plants) Big Green Dwarf F4 (1 plant) Shellby's Pink (purple fruit) F4 (1 plant) Dwarf Rosella Giant F4 (2 plants) Dwarf Russian Swirl F4 (2 plants) Chocolate Champion F4 (1 plant) Langston F4 (1 plant) Chocolate Champion F4 (1 plant) Chocolate Champion #5 F4 (1 plant) Tipsy Lg Yellow F4 (1 plant) Eggplant - 1 plant each, 5 gallon containers: seed saved from flattened orange fruit from an SSE talk at Monticello (assume it is a Turkish Orange type) Neon F2 purple stem Ripples (my F3 named selection from Zebra F1) Mauve Sword (my F3 named selection from Ichiban F1) Neon F2 green stem Neon F2 slight purple stem Casper Rosa Bianca Orient Express F2 purplish stem Snow Globe (my F3 named selection from Cloud 9 F1) New York Improved Indonedian Pink Blush Prosperosa Orient Charm F3 green stem Orient Express F2 purple stem Sweet Peppers - in 5 gallon containers, 1 plant each: Orange Bell Kalman Hungarian Corno di Toro Yellow Chervena Jupiter Aconcagua Red Belgium World Beater Garden Sunshine Long Sweet (from a fruit from Tomatopalooza) The following are from my Islander dehybridization - these are all F4 - 2 plants each - color in 2008: Islander 1.1 - ivory bell to lavender to red Islander 2.1 - green bell to purple to red Islander 2.2 - pale green bell to lavender to red Islander 4.1 - ivory bell to orange red Islander 4.2 - ivory bell to golden yellow Islander 8.1 - pale green bell to golden yellow (Islander 3.1, ivory to lavender to golden yellow, did not germinate) Islander 5 from 2007 - pale green to dark purple to red (died from disease last year) These are from dehybridizations of some hybrids: 1 plant each Chocolate Bell F3 - blocky green to chocolate brown bell Tawny Port F3 - long, lobed green to dark brown selection Yellow Bell F2 Early Sunsation F2 Hot Peppers: one plant each in 2 gallon pots Lollipops (my own named multicolor selection) Skinny cross purple stem (obviously a cross) Buchenberger Orange (from a friend) Gemstone pale leaf cross (still segregating) Peruvian Purple Filius Blue Golden Nugget Hot Paper Lantern Fish Datil Pearl Gemstone Pearl purple stem cross (an obvious cross) Scotch Bonnet Jamaican Hot Chocolate Yellow Peter Long Sweet cross (purple shaded foliage from a sweet pepper - a cross) Facing Heaven - seed from a friend Plus my hot pepper experiments - 75 plants in half gallon pots. That should keep me busy saving seed, taking pics, and experiencing some surprises!
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May 17, 2009 | #2 |
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That's all?
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May 17, 2009 | #3 |
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I have one French Breakfast radish in 2 inch pot.
Nah, I have more but I can't tell you what the tomatoes will be until I get the plants sent up here from Martha. I mean I know what seeds I sent her and bcday but I don't know exactly what I'll be getting back. Most of them, though, are new varieties, as in new to all or most folks. So with good weather it could be a great summer b'c I've never grown so many new varieties in a single season, at least since I moved here in 1999. I simply can't grow what I used to but Freda has already sowed several different radish varieties and early sweet turnips and lettuce. And cukes and my fave Cousa squash and some Bok Choi and some other stuff will also be planted in containers. And I have a huge order of herbs, etc, coming from Richter's in Canada and yet more new perennials to be planted. I know not where at this point. My mother always said that my mouth was bigger than my stomach and it's the same with perennials; I just can't stop ordering them. But Freda will have to create a new herb garden, that's for sure. And we're under a FROST warning here for the next three nights. But please note the sweet pepper variety that Craig mentioned called Orange Bell. He's the one who put me onto it years ago and I'm telling you it's one great sweet pepper variety.
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May 17, 2009 | #4 |
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PS: Craig – I've asked before, but have you ever posted anything about your seedling-to-pot method? Could you? I have learned a LOT from your posts on starting seed. But the seedling to pot process is my weak link in the chain. Seems like it's taking much much longer than it should.
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May 17, 2009 | #5 |
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Seedling to pot? Just quickly -
So I have the cells with the 15-30 plus seedlings ready for transplant. I have my work bench, my bags of Metro Mix, box of 4 inch pots, a watering can, my plastic labels and Sharpie. First I decide on whether I want to create one or two flats of plants - depending upon how uniform the seedlings are in size and my needs. (15 4 inch pots to a flat). If one flat, I fill 16 pots with dry metromix to nearly the top (by having the open bag next to the work bench - I grab a stack of pots and just dip them into the bag, fill, and line them up on my bench)....if two flats, 31 pots. Using my index finger, I make holes in the center of each pot. I pop out the cell of plants and gently pull into individual seedlings, placing a seedling on to each pot. If I am doing only one flat and have smaller extras, I gather them into bunches of 2-3 similarly sized seedlings and plant them all into the extra pot (#16 or #31). For the main seedlings, I push the plants into the hole up to the leaves and gently shake the pot to move the mix around the stem and root zone. I then water well each of the pots of newly planted seedlings quite well - then go and write out the labels. The pots go into the flats, and I sit them on the floor of my garage for a day or two to allow them to adjust - before going into my driveway. I put the pot of extra/smaller seedlings aside - so each flat will have 15 pots, each with the extras of 15 different varieties. Once I do my main transplanting, I can return to these, as they will then be ready to go into individual 4 inch pots. Working like this I can do 125-150 4 inch pots per hour.
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It took me weeks to get 200 potted up!
Sounds like a very large list Craig. I am glad I don't have to water all that Thanks for explaining how to pot up! Kat |
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The secret I think is to understand how tough and forgiving young tomato seedlings are!
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May 17, 2009 | #9 |
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Yeah. I was coddling them too much. Probably something Freudian to do with being an only child...
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The only thing I can add to this is to be sure the seedlings are well watered when you separate them for transplanting. If the growing medium is dry, it makes for a lot more broken/torn roots.
Seedlings are pretty tough, like Craig said. I've torn off a lot of roots when transplanting but I plant them deep and they bounce back and grow fine.
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May 17, 2009 | #12 |
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To tell the truth, Mischka, I find that using metromix, a slightly drier media (not so dry that the seedlings are a bit wilty) makes them come apart easier. To tell another truth, I don't really even take note of ensuring all roots are undamaged, since once they settle in and are watered, as long as they are not in full hot sun immediately, they do great.
Maybe I should do a video some time and put it on youtube...not this year though (no more transplanting!)
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May 18, 2009 | #13 |
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Craig-the Grizzly f3 that you have that was from my winter greenhouse f2 growout, is it the red or the pink one?
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May 18, 2009 | #14 |
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Yeah, Michael - welcome back from Italy! - gotta check on that today to complete my records - will update the thread later today (I planted both the red and the pink - one all dwarf, one all indet).
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Craig-Thanks for the welcome back! Just wanted to make sure you had a look at the red and pink grizzlies that I sent you-going to be interesting to see what happens in this next generation.
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