help with identification

[goodwin]

This is from a package of Thessaloniki, but it's obviously not that variety. The plant is over 6 feet and shows the typical wispy foilage of a heart. My guess is it's a random seed, not a cross. I've saved seed because it's popular at the market, but people ask what it is. I'm just curious - know I can depend on some one here to know something.

Lee

[goodwin]

oh - and they are about 4 inches long, sometimes a bit larger

[PNW_D]

Perhaps Purple Russian

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Purple_Russian

[dice]

The white stippling is rare. I see it on Eva Purple Ball (a pink),
Depp's Pink Firefly, not many others. Probably not Purple
Russian:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/...ian+1.jpg.html

[goodwin]

I had grown Purple Russian before and remembered it as more of a large plum type with a blunter tip, but the photo on Tatiana's site looks really close. I should have thought to check her database. And Dice - you're right, the only place I've seen that dusting of white before is on a pink tomato like the one below.
And while we're on that topic, have either of you seen this sort of speckling on a tomato? This is fruit from one of the Sophie's Choice plants. The rest have the usual solid red fruit. Thanks for the help.

[mjc]

A couple of the pics on Tatiana's site seem to show some of that stippling...I guess I'll find out next year, as she sent me some Purple Russians as my gift seeds in my recent order. ( I was going to be looking them up later, tonight.)

They are a nice looking tomato, goodwin...

[dice]

The Sophie's Choice fruit does not ring a bell. One fruit on the
plant, could be a somatic mutation or environmental. If you
save seeds from that fruit and grow a few plants of it next year,
you could see if all of the fruit have it.

Ditto for the stippled plum. (Is it a pre-stable cross or a so
far anonymous OP?)

[dice]

Reinhard Kraft's picture of Purple Russian seems to show
a little stippling, but it is not as prominent, and I wonder if it
is simply a photographic artifact:

http://tomaten.bplaced.net/Tomatenfo...le-Russian.jpg

Also Black Mavr:
http://tomaten.bplaced.net/Tomatenfotos/Black-Mavr.jpg
(Different shape.)

[Wi-sunflower]

I'm not sure about the white, but that orange stippling is most likely environmental. I've seen that on plenty of my reds over the years. Some varieties may be more prone to it than others tho.

Carol

[carolyn137]

And while we're on that topic, have either of you seen this sort of speckling on a tomato? This is fruit from one of the Sophie's Choice plants. The rest have the usual solid red fruit. Thanks for the help

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It's called Gold Fleck.

The true cause is not known, suggestions include weather and genetics and expression is highly variable.

If you do a Google search you'll see similar pictures, probably via Google IMAGES but I know it's discussed at several sites, the U oif MD and Cornell I saw it at just this AM when I was searching for something for someone else.

if you need links just let me know but you should be able to find it.

I've not seen it with Sophie's Choice, but it can be seen with almost any variety if conditions are right as I understand it.

And I haven't a clue as to what that other fruit is.

Lee, you say it's probably a stray seed but you haven't said how many plants you set out and how many others were true Thessaloniki. so I'm not so sure I understand why you say it's a stray seed of a known variety and not a natural cross.

[goodwin]

hi Carolyn -
Thanks for the information. I have seen the random pattern of rings on red tomatoes, but didn't know what it was called Gold Fleck. The pattern on the Sophie's Choice fruit is more like Tigerella - but spots rather than stripes.
The Thessaloniki seed was from a commercial packet and just one of the dozen seedlings had the thin leaves - so that's why I figured it was a stray seed. And, from my limited experience, I wouldn't expect to see these traits in the F1 with Thessaloniki as one of the parents.
I hope your season is wrapping up better than other folks back there.
Lee

[jhp]

My thought was purple russian too. I grew it last year. For me it was a prolific plant and shapes were variable. Some looked like what you show in your photo and some were more potato shaped.