Tee-Mo-Or and Maiden's Kiss

TZ-OH6 · December 6, 2010

I grew these side by side this year and they are very similar (medium sized plum or plum and round), with Tee-Mo-Or being slightly smaller and less variable in shape (mostly plum).

Looking at the origins at Tatianas Database and the confusion from the original source (TX GU R lists both as 12-20 oz). I am wondering if these are related and/or not what they are supposed to be.

Does anyone have info/descriptions for these further back than listed by Tatiana?

Suze · December 6, 2010

I grew Tee Mo Or in '08, and it was much smaller than what you referenced from Tbase. I got 6-10 oz, round red fruits.

I have seen several size ranges referenced for this variety: 6-10 oz, 8-12 oz, 12-20 oz.

In any case, I assumed my plant was off-type, and since the flavor was not that impressive, have not grown again.

The earliest description of Tee Mo Or I can find is from a 1999 yearbook listing - "1999: 80, red fruit, very productive, from Moldavia" - That is all it says.

Maiden's Kiss - I've grown it a couple of times and get 5-8 oz red plum shaped fruit. Again, no idea why this doesn't match up with TX GU R's results. His description is the earliest one in the yearbook. Since then, pretty much everyone else has reported med red plums.

Tania · December 8, 2010

I yet to see anyone except TX GU R reporting large fruits for Maiden's Kiss. 6-8 oz was the size I observed, fruits were oval/plum shaped.

I know the large fruited Tee Mo Or originated from Mr. Hahm-Hartmann. (see http://tomaten.bplaced.net/Tomatenfotos/Tee-Mo-Or.jpg at R. Kraft's website).

Tania

RinTinTin · December 8, 2010

Tania, LG fruits in TX, may be SM or M in BC/PNW...duh, you already knew that...early/mid/late...duh, you knew that as well. I think when people read descriptions they need to know WHERE the person describing them is growing them...or if they are actually growing them, or just buying seeds and 'redistributing' them. I live in the PNW (until next season!) and know NOT to believe people's descriptions unless they live "West of the Cascades". And YES! i do know where Anmore is...when I was sailing, we used to 'put in' in Port Moody each year to unload tons of toluene...an essential part of TNT (tri-nitro-toluene)...much needed in the western Province's mining operations...(we're closer neighbors than you think!).

Tania · December 9, 2010

RinTinTin,

hi neighbor

WA border is 40 min drive from us.

Yep, our PNW is beautiful but not very tomato friendly

Maiden Kiss was also smaller for growers in Illinois, New York, Ohio, Ontario, and Texas, not just in PNW.

I have not grown Tee Mo Or yet.

Tania

amideutch · December 9, 2010

I grew it in 2007, seed from Deer Park (TX GU R). Michael must have had them on steroids to get 1 pounders. Ami

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthrea...t=Maidens+Kiss

December 6, 2010	#1
TZ-OH6 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mid-Ohio Posts: 848	Tee-Mo-Or and Maiden's Kiss I grew these side by side this year and they are very similar (medium sized plum or plum and round), with Tee-Mo-Or being slightly smaller and less variable in shape (mostly plum). Looking at the origins at Tatianas Database and the confusion from the original source (TX GU R lists both as 12-20 oz). I am wondering if these are related and/or not what they are supposed to be. Does anyone have info/descriptions for these further back than listed by Tatiana?

December 8, 2010	#3
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	I yet to see anyone except TX GU R reporting large fruits for Maiden's Kiss. 6-8 oz was the size I observed, fruits were oval/plum shaped. I know the large fruited Tee Mo Or originated from Mr. Hahm-Hartmann. (see http://tomaten.bplaced.net/Tomatenfotos/Tee-Mo-Or.jpg at R. Kraft's website). Tania __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase

December 9, 2010	#5
Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	RinTinTin, hi neighbor WA border is 40 min drive from us. Yep, our PNW is beautiful but not very tomato friendly Maiden Kiss was also smaller for growers in Illinois, New York, Ohio, Ontario, and Texas, not just in PNW. I have not grown Tee Mo Or yet. Tania __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase

December 9, 2010	#6
amideutch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany 49°26"N 07°36"E Posts: 5,041	I grew it in 2007, seed from Deer Park (TX GU R). Michael must have had them on steroids to get 1 pounders. Ami http://www.tomatoville.com/showthrea...t=Maidens+Kiss __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘...Holy Crap .....What a ride!'

December 6, 2010	#2
Suze Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 3,027	I grew Tee Mo Or in '08, and it was much smaller than what you referenced from Tbase. I got 6-10 oz, round red fruits. I have seen several size ranges referenced for this variety: 6-10 oz, 8-12 oz, 12-20 oz. In any case, I assumed my plant was off-type, and since the flavor was not that impressive, have not grown again. The earliest description of Tee Mo Or I can find is from a 1999 yearbook listing - "1999: 80, red fruit, very productive, from Moldavia" - That is all it says. Maiden's Kiss - I've grown it a couple of times and get 5-8 oz red plum shaped fruit. Again, no idea why this doesn't match up with TX GU R's results. His description is the earliest one in the yearbook. Since then, pretty much everyone else has reported med red plums.

December 8, 2010	#4
RinTinTin Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Seattle Posts: 581	Tania, LG fruits in TX, may be SM or M in BC/PNW...duh, you already knew that...early/mid/late...duh, you knew that as well. I think when people read descriptions they need to know WHERE the person describing them is growing them...or if they are actually growing them, or just buying seeds and 'redistributing' them. I live in the PNW (until next season!) and know NOT to believe people's descriptions unless they live "West of the Cascades". And YES! i do know where Anmore is...when I was sailing, we used to 'put in' in Port Moody each year to unload tons of toluene...an essential part of TNT (tri-nitro-toluene)...much needed in the western Province's mining operations...(we're closer neighbors than you think!).