Bizarre Leaves

Farmette · June 18, 2012

These are leaves from my Cherokee Purple plant and I am stumped. Looked at the various helps on this thread and am wondering if it is Cucumber Mosaic Virus. The last picture is of one of the branches with the stunted leaves.
Appreciate any and all help.
Thanks!

stonysoilseeds · June 18, 2012

it looks like some type of virus as biruses cause crinkling and stunting but your right they look bizaar

stonysoilseeds · June 18, 2012

viruses also cause a wutches broom sumpypm wkoch looks like the last photo of the cp and they are usually transmitted by insect s

**carolyn137** · June 18, 2012

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Originally Posted by Farmette

These are leaves from my Cherokee Purple plant and I am stumped. Looked at the various helps on this thread and am wondering if it is Cucumber Mosaic Virus. The last picture is of one of the branches with the stunted leaves.
Appreciate any and all help.
Thanks!

Could be CMV, especially the last photo, but what of the other tomato plants in your garden.

CMV has several strains that can cause a different look to the leaves and since it also has something like hundreds of alternative hosts, many of them weeds, it would seem to me that more than one variety would be affected.

Farmette · June 19, 2012

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

Could be CMV, especially the last photo, but what of the other tomato plants in your garden.

CMV has several strains that can cause a different look to the leaves and since it also has something like hundreds of alternative hosts, many of them weeds, it would seem to me that more than one variety would be affected.

So far this is the only plant affected. It and several of the others had small holes in the lower leaves earlier in the season. This occurred right after transpanting in ground...I assumed it was something like flea beetles. Earlier in the year, I had a thrips problem, but I have sprayed periodically with a home brew of pepper spray. I am wondering if it is too late for this tomato plant...do I need to pull it right now or should I wait, spray and see what happens. And if I spray, what should it be?
Thanks!
Chris

Wi-sunflower · June 19, 2012

2,4D damage can also look kind of like that last pic with the skinny distorted leaves.

I'm seeing a few of my plants with some new leaves looking like that.

The tomatoes this year are in a field that was in field corn last year. Ray uses mostly generic Round-up on the corn but has added just a bit of 2,4D the last few years as that is what is recommended. As you know, Farmette, we've had some extreme weather here this year and I wonder if that may have caused a bit of a "carryover" for me.

Or maybe it's just the weather.

We have never had to water our tomato plants so much just to keep them alive. 3 weeks with hardly a spit of rain and plenty of heat. We finally got about 0.7" Sat and a spit on Mon very early. But the high wind since then has taken most of it back already.

Carol

Farmette · June 19, 2012

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Originally Posted by Wi-sunflower

2,4D damage can also look kind of like that last pic with the skinny distorted leaves.

I'm seeing a few of my plants with some new leaves looking like that.

The tomatoes this year are in a field that was in field corn last year. Ray uses mostly generic Round-up on the corn but has added just a bit of 2,4D the last few years as that is what is recommended. As you know, Farmette, we've had some extreme weather here this year and I wonder if that may have caused a bit of a "carryover" for me.

Or maybe it's just the weather.

We have never had to water our tomato plants so much just to keep them alive. 3 weeks with hardly a spit of rain and plenty of heat. We finally got about 0.7" Sat and a spit on Mon very early. But the high wind since then has taken most of it back already.

Carol

I thought it might be something carried by the wind from a neighbor's yard too, but none of the others are affected. I, too, am hoping for some rain.

**carolyn137** · June 19, 2012

OK, it's just that one plant which means it isn't herbicide drift unless that plant is somehow the only one in a place where it's exposed, and then why does the plant look like it does, which to me does resemble CMV more than other options.

Did you raise that plant from seed yourself or did you buy it, and if you bought it did you buy any other plants from the same place?

CMV is mainly spread by aphids and it's well known that in a greenhouse situation it can be spread by those aphids in a persistent manner.

Outside it's usually spread from alternative host plants, I just looked and there are about 800 alternative hosts known, so I won't list them, ahem,to tomatoes. But as I said above, I can't see just ONE plant being affected.

I guess if it were me I'd look for aphids, they may be there, they may not, but as a precaution, if you don't see any other plants looking like that I'd pull that one and dispose of it rather ASAP.

Farmette · June 19, 2012

I did raise this plant from seed. It is not located in my primary garden, but part of my yard in a flower bed where I have grown several tomatoes as well as 3 roses. Perhaps it is an aphid problem coming from the roses. I have never had that happen before. So, I now I have pulled the plant. I guess I need to find something to spray on the remainder of them.

Farmette · June 20, 2012

If a tomato has CMV and several branches are affected, would new growth be affected too?

ca1ore · June 20, 2012

I grew all of my tomatoes, and cuckes, etc., from seed this year, and have CMV for the first time. More aphids this year than I can ever remember (and no ladybugs). Since all plants appear to have it to varying degrees I will just ride it out and see what happens. disease seems quite variable. I have, for example, a couple of plants that show fern-leaf sympoms on the very top new leaves, but shoots growing up lower down appear normal.

June 19, 2012	#8
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	OK, it's just that one plant which means it isn't herbicide drift unless that plant is somehow the only one in a place where it's exposed, and then why does the plant look like it does, which to me does resemble CMV more than other options. Did you raise that plant from seed yourself or did you buy it, and if you bought it did you buy any other plants from the same place? CMV is mainly spread by aphids and it's well known that in a greenhouse situation it can be spread by those aphids in a persistent manner. Outside it's usually spread from alternative host plants, I just looked and there are about 800 alternative hosts known, so I won't list them, ahem,to tomatoes. But as I said above, I can't see just ONE plant being affected. I guess if it were me I'd look for aphids, they may be there, they may not, but as a precaution, if you don't see any other plants looking like that I'd pull that one and dispose of it rather ASAP. __________________ Carolyn

June 18, 2012	#2
stonysoilseeds Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: cincinnatus, new york Posts: 341	it looks like some type of virus as biruses cause crinkling and stunting but your right they look bizaar

June 19, 2012	#6
Wi-sunflower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,591	2,4D damage can also look kind of like that last pic with the skinny distorted leaves. I'm seeing a few of my plants with some new leaves looking like that. The tomatoes this year are in a field that was in field corn last year. Ray uses mostly generic Round-up on the corn but has added just a bit of 2,4D the last few years as that is what is recommended. As you know, Farmette, we've had some extreme weather here this year and I wonder if that may have caused a bit of a "carryover" for me. Or maybe it's just the weather. We have never had to water our tomato plants so much just to keep them alive. 3 weeks with hardly a spit of rain and plenty of heat. We finally got about 0.7" Sat and a spit on Mon very early. But the high wind since then has taken most of it back already. Carol

June 19, 2012	#9
Farmette Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 985	I did raise this plant from seed. It is not located in my primary garden, but part of my yard in a flower bed where I have grown several tomatoes as well as 3 roses. Perhaps it is an aphid problem coming from the roses. I have never had that happen before. So, I now I have pulled the plant. I guess I need to find something to spray on the remainder of them.

June 20, 2012	#10
Farmette Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 985	If a tomato has CMV and several branches are affected, would new growth be affected too?

June 20, 2012	#11
ca1ore Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 13	I grew all of my tomatoes, and cuckes, etc., from seed this year, and have CMV for the first time. More aphids this year than I can ever remember (and no ladybugs). Since all plants appear to have it to varying degrees I will just ride it out and see what happens. disease seems quite variable. I have, for example, a couple of plants that show fern-leaf sympoms on the very top new leaves, but shoots growing up lower down appear normal.