I sprayed with Organicide last night

Rockporter · November 6, 2012

when the sun went down and then we had pouring rains come again. How long should I wait to respray? I don't know what is wrong with my tomato plants but I have seen white flies and with the rain I thought I would go ahead and use a anti fungal too.

My leaves are brown and crispy on some of my plants and others are just yellow. I think I have some calcium deficiency but wonder if magnesium is also a problem. These are my new Earth Boxes with the first time use.

Redbaron · November 6, 2012

If you grow beets, they have plenty of magnesium in the leaves. Just chop them in a blender with some egg shells and pour the slurry around the base of the plant. That's how i do it, but I don't grow in containers.........

PS The companion plant for whiteflies is cilantro, nasturtium, zinnia. Plant the cilantro by the tomatoes and the flowers in a seperate bed. And see if you can put up a hummingbird feeder. Hummingbirds love whiteflies.

It's the main reason chemical sprays don't work for whiteflies. You kill them, but also either kill or drive away their predators like hummingbirds, so they come back even worse than before, you spray again, drives away even more predators, they come back even worse......and so on and so on. Eventually they become increasingly immune to the sprays, and without a healthy population of predators..........

The permaculture way of dealing with pests is far superior in my opinion. While it never completely eliminates them, it can limit their populations so they are not destructive.

Besides, hummingbirds are cool!

kurt · November 6, 2012

Looking at the foilage I see some holes.White flys usually suck the fluids out of a plant.I would cut all the dead and yellow foilage off.Looks like it has been dying and drying for a while.If you sprayed the organicde underneath the leaves you should be seeing some whitefly control or deaths by now.Neem oil and soap a a sticker works well underneath where the whiteflys egg and hatch and eat.The longer you the dead material on the more the flys have a food source and can distribute disease.You might have some kind of blight also.If the plant has some suckers and new shoots you might be alright.

clkeiper · November 6, 2012

I don't think it looks diseased either. White fly is very hard to control with any sprays on the market ( or they aren't labeled for them ). I, too, think neem, hort oil and soap is a good control for them. Remove any foliage that looks damaged or yellowed, as it will not turn green again anyway, and go from there. We have used malathion on them on a strawberry crop late in the summer and it did make a difference, but the malathion was not labeled for whitefly, we were desperate to control them, so we tried it. Our other investment was a little bit expensive, but I do farmers markets and it was an investment for me, was a mist blower back pack sprayer. The droplets are a mist and blows a 40mph spray from the hose....VERY effective! for a pesticide/fungicide application for the orchard and garden.

Rockporter · November 6, 2012

Thanks guys and gals, the white fly only showed up a couple days ago, the plants started browning a couple of weeks ago and I don't know why except that maybe they didn't get enough air flow from the hard rain we had received that flooded my patio and the boxes. I have cut off the old brown stuff and there are no white fly at the present.

I wonder when I could respray the organicide 3 in 1 since it rained on the plants really hard within one hour of spraying them last night?

http://organiclabs.com/Retail.html

The 3 in 1 covers a multitude of bugs and is also a fungicide, I picked mine up at the local tractor supply because I wasn't sure what the problem with my plants really was.

Sorry, I need to make myself a little clearer. When we had a flooded patio my plants had to stay on the patio because I had nowhere in the yard as of yet to put them. We have since laid our landscape cloth and made the space to put the plants. I moved them all to the cloth a couple weeks ago but the browning had already begun and I have cut it off, often.

Sorry this post has become about what is wrong with plants instead of "when can I respray?" lol, I am going to add to the thread title.

I do appreciate all of the help and I do think there may be some kind of fungus or blight that might have caused this due to the flooded patio and boxes.

OOPS!! I guess I cannot edit the title.

coastal bend · November 8, 2012

Rockporter I've been gone for 5 days . Got home on Monday and looked like blight was starting. Cut off the bad leaves and sprayed with fungicide. They looked ok today. The leaves looked similar to yours but no holes in the leaves. I'm going to spray again tomorrow with the fungicide.
I had whiteflys early in the fall when the plants were smaller and I used ortho Flower, Fruit & Vegetable insect killer. It kept the whitefly out for 7 days.Then had to apply again. Good controll for whitefly. Leafhoppers might be making holes in the leaf. When I have noticed holes in the leaves they always seem to be around. I would spray the day after the rain even if I had sprayed the day before the rain. I've been picking sungold toms for two weeks. Have a good crop this year.

Rockporter · November 8, 2012

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Originally Posted by coastal bend

Rockporter I've been gone for 5 days . Got home on Monday and looked like blight was starting. Cut off the bad leaves and sprayed with fungicide. They looked ok today. The leaves looked similar to yours but no holes in the leaves. I'm going to spray again tomorrow with the fungicide.
I had whiteflys early in the fall when the plants were smaller and I used ortho Flower, Fruit & Vegetable insect killer. It kept the whitefly out for 7 days.Then had to apply again. Good controll for whitefly. Leafhoppers might be making holes in the leaf. When I have noticed holes in the leaves they always seem to be around. I would spray the day after the rain even if I had sprayed the day before the rain. I've been picking sungold toms for two weeks. Have a good crop this year.

Thanks Coastal Bend, I will spray again tomorrow when I can see out there. I cut off all the brown leaves/stems and the plants seem to be doing ok. One thing I did notice was the two plant starts I had rooted because something broke them off are browning just like the plants. I cut off all the brown and will treat with the 3 in 1 as well.

Another thing I have noticed was that my plants are drinking quite a bit more over here at the house than they ever have at my previous place. I don't know if it is because there is more airflow around the plants or if it is the lower humidity. I have watered twice today.

Forgot to mention I did notice leaf hoppers, a couple of them(1 on 2 diff plants) and killed them.

November 6, 2012	#2
Redbaron Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 4,488	If you grow beets, they have plenty of magnesium in the leaves. Just chop them in a blender with some egg shells and pour the slurry around the base of the plant. That's how i do it, but I don't grow in containers......... PS The companion plant for whiteflies is cilantro, nasturtium, zinnia. Plant the cilantro by the tomatoes and the flowers in a seperate bed. And see if you can put up a hummingbird feeder. Hummingbirds love whiteflies. It's the main reason chemical sprays don't work for whiteflies. You kill them, but also either kill or drive away their predators like hummingbirds, so they come back even worse than before, you spray again, drives away even more predators, they come back even worse......and so on and so on. Eventually they become increasingly immune to the sprays, and without a healthy population of predators.......... The permaculture way of dealing with pests is far superior in my opinion. While it never completely eliminates them, it can limit their populations so they are not destructive. Besides, hummingbirds are cool! __________________ Scott AKA The Redbaron "Permaculture is a philosophy of working with, rather than against nature; of protracted & thoughtful observation rather than protracted & thoughtless labour; & of looking at plants & animals in all their functions, rather than treating any area as a single-product system." Bill Mollison co-founder of permaculture Last edited by Redbaron; November 6, 2012 at 04:21 PM.

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kurt Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Homestead,Everglades City Fl. Posts: 2,501	Looking at the foilage I see some holes.White flys usually suck the fluids out of a plant.I would cut all the dead and yellow foilage off.Looks like it has been dying and drying for a while.If you sprayed the organicde underneath the leaves you should be seeing some whitefly control or deaths by now.Neem oil and soap a a sticker works well underneath where the whiteflys egg and hatch and eat.The longer you the dead material on the more the flys have a food source and can distribute disease.You might have some kind of blight also.If the plant has some suckers and new shoots you might be alright. __________________ KURT

November 6, 2012	#4
clkeiper Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ohio Posts: 4,350	I don't think it looks diseased either. White fly is very hard to control with any sprays on the market ( or they aren't labeled for them ). I, too, think neem, hort oil and soap is a good control for them. Remove any foliage that looks damaged or yellowed, as it will not turn green again anyway, and go from there. We have used malathion on them on a strawberry crop late in the summer and it did make a difference, but the malathion was not labeled for whitefly, we were desperate to control them, so we tried it. Our other investment was a little bit expensive, but I do farmers markets and it was an investment for me, was a mist blower back pack sprayer. The droplets are a mist and blows a 40mph spray from the hose....VERY effective! for a pesticide/fungicide application for the orchard and garden. __________________ carolyn k

November 6, 2012	#5
Rockporter Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Texas Coastal Bend Posts: 3,205	Thanks guys and gals, the white fly only showed up a couple days ago, the plants started browning a couple of weeks ago and I don't know why except that maybe they didn't get enough air flow from the hard rain we had received that flooded my patio and the boxes. I have cut off the old brown stuff and there are no white fly at the present. I wonder when I could respray the organicide 3 in 1 since it rained on the plants really hard within one hour of spraying them last night? http://organiclabs.com/Retail.html The 3 in 1 covers a multitude of bugs and is also a fungicide, I picked mine up at the local tractor supply because I wasn't sure what the problem with my plants really was. Sorry, I need to make myself a little clearer. When we had a flooded patio my plants had to stay on the patio because I had nowhere in the yard as of yet to put them. We have since laid our landscape cloth and made the space to put the plants. I moved them all to the cloth a couple weeks ago but the browning had already begun and I have cut it off, often. Sorry this post has become about what is wrong with plants instead of "when can I respray?" lol, I am going to add to the thread title. I do appreciate all of the help and I do think there may be some kind of fungus or blight that might have caused this due to the flooded patio and boxes. OOPS!! I guess I cannot edit the title. __________________ In the spring at the end of the day you should smell like dirt ~Margaret Atwood~ Last edited by Rockporter; November 6, 2012 at 08:13 PM.

November 8, 2012	#6
coastal bend Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: south texas Posts: 114	Rockporter I've been gone for 5 days . Got home on Monday and looked like blight was starting. Cut off the bad leaves and sprayed with fungicide. They looked ok today. The leaves looked similar to yours but no holes in the leaves. I'm going to spray again tomorrow with the fungicide. I had whiteflys early in the fall when the plants were smaller and I used ortho Flower, Fruit & Vegetable insect killer. It kept the whitefly out for 7 days.Then had to apply again. Good controll for whitefly. Leafhoppers might be making holes in the leaf. When I have noticed holes in the leaves they always seem to be around. I would spray the day after the rain even if I had sprayed the day before the rain. I've been picking sungold toms for two weeks. Have a good crop this year.