Black and Red Boar tomato mystery

[green_go]

Can you tell me anything about this tomato?
I received the seeds on last year’s tomato swap and I grew several plants this summer. I liked them a lot, but surprisingly, when I tried to find any info on this tomato, I found none.
I assumed, they were bread by Wild Boar Farms, but I could not find this variety listed on their website among other “boars”. However, my tomatoes look suspiciously similar looking to Black & Brown Boar and maybe, Berkeley Tie-Dye (depending on which picture you look).
Here are a couple of pictures of my Black & Red Boar tomato. On the bottom picture, there are 3 of them: one clearly visible on the bottom-left, one on the middle-top and one partially hidden on the right. What are those tomatoes and where did they come from?

[Doug9345]

First place to look for a tomato is here:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...k_and_Red_Boar

and Here
http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=20108

[RobinB]

I've grown Black and Brown Boar for two years now, two years ago, I got seeds from Wintersown, but this past year, I used my own saved seeds. This is the shape I get, slightly oval-ish round-ish, not very large 2-2.5" perhaps, and very tasty and prolific on a large plant. This is mostly the shape I see for this one, but if you do a search you will see some ruffled oblate beefsteaks that people are calling Black and Brown Boar, so I don't know what is going on. Most are much darker than your photo though. The only other Wild Boar Farms tomato that I've grown is Pink Berkeley Tie-Dye and that's not what you have either!

Robin

[kath]

I grew Black and Red Boar 2 years ago with seeds from Wintersown.org but the fruits were saladette size and roundish- much like the fruits in Robin's picture, but more reddish. I couldn't find any history about it either and made the same assumptions you did.

Sorry, this is about Black & Red Boar. I was trying to compare to Black & Brown Boar.

[Doug9345]

The links I posted above basically say Black and Red Boar was one of his early ones and it seems people got it from Baker Creek.

[ContainerTed]

Yes, I grew it and then asked Brad if it was one of his. He replied that it was one of his early creations. It's a great producer and the taste is a bit "smoky". It makes great juice and sauces.

And, I've listed it in the new SSE Yearbook.

[dice]

The big one on top looks like regular Berkeley Tie Dye to me.
Maybe a stray seed. Should have somewhat different flavor
if it is.

[green_go]

Thank you all, your answers cleared the matter up a bit.

[FILMNET]

Its Berkerely Tie Dye i have grown it for 3 years and i get huge ones like this, my favorite.
If you like this one you should try Brads Black Heart this and Paul Robeson are my 2 black favs

[maf]

I heard that 'Black and Red Boar' and 'Black and Brown Boar' were the same tomato; just a name change along the way to the official release. Don't know if it is true, just what I heard....

[FILMNET]

Yes my Black and Brown Bears were small. Round also i am in love with his black heart, truly wonderful taste, I frooze some this summer and now make sauce with them. I also froze BTD for sauce not to sweet.

[green_go]

I got Berkeley Tie-Dye seeds from the Tomato swap this year, so next season I will grow Black & Red Boar and Berkeley Tie-Dye side by side and see if there are any differences between them.

[ContainerTed]

Originally Posted by green_go

I got Berkeley Tie-Dye seeds from the Tomato swap this year, so next season I will grow Black & Red Boar and Berkeley Tie-Dye side by side and see if there are any differences between them.

I did this two years ago. They are vastly different. BTD is a much larger fruit and falls into the "Green When Ripe" category for me. B&R Boar is a much smaller fruit like the picture in ddsack's post above.

And, the taste is very different between them. BTD did not have the sweetness I like in a large slicing tomato. B&R Boar did have that full flavor you expect for the best BLT sandwiches.

Originally Posted by maf

I heard that 'Black and Red Boar' and 'Black and Brown Boar' were the same tomato; just a name change along the way to the official release. Don't know if it is true, just what I heard....

I had PM'd Brad, who is a member here, and was assured by Brad that the Black & Red Boar and the Black & Brown Boar were not the same. I had thought for a while that maybe he changed the name from "Red" to "Brown" to accommodate some other developing product, but was assured that was not the case. Brad asked me to send him some of the B&R Boar seeds so that he could do some comparisons. We calculated it out and found my seed at the time was at least 6 generations later than what he had on hand.

And, note that this all took place AFTER the release of Black & Brown Boar.

[feraltomatoes]

Been a while since I posted here. My online time is usually limited and done by my phone which makes it tough. I struggle with large fingers small button syndrome.
I don't remember if you sent me those seeds Ted.?
I have tried to put more thought into this, went back and checked hundreds of hand scribbled seed packages from from years past. I have come to the conclusion that Black and Brown Boar is likely the same as Black and Red Boar. Here is what I have, remember my brain is crammed with thousands of tomato variants, I have had a lot of sun exposure and I struggled to be a C student in high school.
Black and Brown Boar came from a single variant plant from a 100 plant row of Green Zebra, this was about 12 years ago. I grew 100 plants the next year and all turned out the same, dark striped fruit.
The next season I grew 200 plants from the F-3. All where again the same, except one very large dark brown striped specimen(this went on to create Large Barred Boar). The picture from green_go looks like a Large Barred Boar.
That same year I gave plants of the F-3's to several friends. One friend had a plant with fruit about 30% smaller fruit then the average Black and Brown, it also had more of a red appearance and had an extra complex flavor. I saved seeds from a few fruits thinking it may be a variant. My thought is that the difference was climatic and not genetic. He was in a hotter, drier climate and was very stingy with the water. The next season I did grow a small amount of plants from the smaller, redder fruit but do not remember seeing much difference from the Black and Brown so I did save some seeds, marked it Black and Red Boar and dropped the ball on that one as other varieties got my attention at the time.
Trying to remember whom I originally sent the alleged Black and Red Boar seeds to, could not have been more then a couple people.
My seed stock from Black and Brown Boar is now F-12 or F-13. I grew hundreds of plants last year alone and saw no variance although it has been a major donor to many great intentional crosses lately.

Hope this helps,
Brad Gates-Wild Boar Farms