Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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March 16, 2015 | #1 |
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Coeur de Boeuf de Jerusalem RL or PL?
So i bought these seeds from a reputable seed company but they no longer list it and i cant find out whether or not it is regular leaf or potato leaf. I planted two seeds and i got both leaf types. If in fact both plants are true to type and not crossed i need to know which is the original. Thanks for any help in advance.
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Have you considered contacting the company you bought the seeds from and asking if it's PL or RL, and if you want to share with them that you got both PL and RL and would like to know what the original should be. They may have stopped listing it if others also reported both leaf types if they are reoutable, as you say. Carolyn
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March 16, 2015 | #3 |
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If the PL turns out to be a heart, I'd some saved seed.
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March 17, 2015 | #4 |
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So i just heard back from the vendor and it is supposed to be RL. They also said the plant was grown in isolation no where near another PL plant so we will have to see what comes of it. Possibly a Coeur de Bueof de California. Lol.
Gary if it is in fact a PL heart i will save seed and you will be the first to get some.
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June 10, 2015 | #5 |
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Alright so my PL Couer de Bouef de Jerusalem sure looks to be shaping up to be a PL heart. Here is a couple pics of the small fruit forming.
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June 10, 2015 | #6 |
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http://translate.googleusercontent.c...pz0Hutm60GGPEA
From the above link, it should RL, see description about foliage being normal. Here's the general Google search from which I had the above translated. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...j%C3%A9rusalem And this next and final link really intrigues me as to a possible origin for this variety: http://tomatoville.com/showthread.ph...rusalem+tomato Heart shaped tomatoes are not native to Israel, but Jewish immigrants from many countries in Europe moved there and brought seeds with them. And I think that's what happened and if so the ultimate country of origin will never be known. Finally I'm not surprised at all that some folks go to Israel as visitors, for different reasons, and then buy tomatoes at roadside stands, or pluck hollyhock seed from the roadside as one person did. Yes, I visited both Greece and some Greek Isles as well as Israel in the same trip. Both were fascinating and perhaps the main reason for those two countries on that trip is my continuing long time interest in archaeology and I sub to 4 different archaeology magazines. Hope the above helps, Carolyn
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June 11, 2015 | #7 |
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June 11, 2015 | #9 |
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I've got one RL and one PL plant of this variety out in the garden. It will be interesting to compare notes and see how the tomatoes turn out on both leaf types.
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June 11, 2015 | #10 |
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Heres a pic of the PL leaves of of plant. They are rather large definitely bigger than my hands.
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July 13, 2015 | #11 |
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How many plants should one grow (statistically speaking) before they can expect to see such an anomaly in their garden?
I would love to have a tomato plant with fruits of different color... or something else that interesting |
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Not a problem, grow. http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Lutescent I'd call it a novelty variety. fruits not that tasty, but it does have what you want. How many plants before you see an anomaly? I guess you are referring to this current situation, and if X pollination is suspected you grow out as many plants as you have room for in one season. Many breeders will start by putting out about 20 plants. it goes the same way backwards when trying to dehybridize a known F1 hybrid. I was sent a three way cross and the person who sent it to me said Ihad a 1/64 chance of getting what he described. I put out 12 plants that first season and got it. It's all about statistical probabilities. And what I got was called Tad, since it was Tad smith who sent it tome, and Tad became a parent in a cross pollination in Craig's garden, Craig also knew Tad, he used to construct some hybrid varieties just for the two of us, and what came out of that Tad X Brandywine accidental x pollination was Lucky cross, Little Lucky and so many more. So I got lucky with Tad and just 12 plants and I'm hoping that happens with what will be worked on here withthis situation as well. Carolyn
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July 16, 2015 | #13 |
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I've got one RL, and one PL plant growing, from the Coeur de Boeur de Jerusalem seeds I planted.
The RL plant has a very good fruit set of heart-shaped tomatoes. The PL plant was planted later, and is smaller. It currently has two fruit set(one half dollar and one nickel sized). They both appear to be beefsteak-shaped(round and flattened). |
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