Hoophouse/cold frame ideas. Please. (pic heavy)

dcarch · January 1, 2007

Holidays are over. Back to work. I am sure many of you (Z6 +) are planning to start seeds for 2007 soon.

I am thinking of building a hoophouse to gain maybe a month or more extra growing time or to get some early tomatoes earlier.

Here are some of my considerations (limitations):

1. I only have room in the front lawn for about 30” x 15’.
2. Being in a residential area, the hoophouse has to look decent, I don’t want neighbors to complain.
3. I need to have the hoophouse removable once the weather gets warm. I don’t have a lot of storage space, so whatever components used have to be minimum.

I ‘d appreciate any ideas and advice. Thank you.

dcarch

:wink:

travis · January 1, 2007

http://www.middlecity.com/backyard/hoophouse.shtml

I'm not sure this would be "neighborhood friendly" but I think it can be adapted to look nice if the substructure were nicely designed and constructed.

But then my wife has already nixed it for my backyard saying it would be visible to one neighbor and some passersby.

Oh well.

PV

Tania · January 1, 2007

my portable cold frames (2 people can easily carry them around, and they are just heavy enough not to be blown by strong wind):

each frame is 4'x6' and 3 to 5' tall, which is the most 'economical' size, given the price of 2"x4" wood, but same idea can be used for 2'x6' or 2'x8'

Re plastic - buy the best available, otherwise you'll be replacing plastic every 2 years or so.

Good luck dcarch! And please share your pictures with us, during and after construction

DavidinCT · January 1, 2007

I have a little more space but the same neighborhood concerns you do, dcarch. Going to see if these wooden tomato cages (scroll down for photo) tested at the U.C. Bay Area Research and Extension Center facility will serve as cold frames for a few weeks. Plan on wrapping plastic a few feet high around the 4 eight foot 2x2's, then poking the side and end supporting dowels through the plastic as needed The roof will be angled by inserting dowels at different levels. To fit in with the neigborhood homes, the cages will be painted white. Should be elegant. I hope.

Have no idea if this will work. Don't take my advice as this is my first serious tomato garden (serious in intent, we'll see how serious the crop is). Perhaps the plants won't have enough circulation in the two and a half by four foot area I intend to surround by the cage; perhaps I shouldn't be planting in the ground at all here in April.

If this sounds like a bad idea to anyone, I would appreciate a heads up . . .

'mater · January 1, 2007

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Originally Posted by dcarch

Here are some of my considerations (limitations):

1. I only have room in the front lawn for about 30” x 15’.

Seriously? 30 inches wide? Just making sure it wasn't a typo...

If it is that narrow, a version of what I'm considering for my new (slightly) raised beds might work. I'm modifying some plans for pvc hoophouses to create some low (2.5-3 feet high) frames using specialized couplers and snap over clamps to tighten and hold the cover. Not sure if I'll be able to bend it over that much, but figure to use angled couples if necessary to create a more box like frame. Might not be the most visually appealing option though and certainly wouldn't be an option if you were trying to use it late in the season as an extender over mature veggies (unless they were low growing).

I'm just looking for something to warm soil and allow me to give some things an early start. My thoughts are certainly a work in progress and I'll be interested to see what other possibilities are offered for you...

dcarch · January 1, 2007

Papa Vic,
Thanks. it's giving me some ideas.

Tania,
Wow! What an incredible setup you have!

DavidinCT,
Love to see some pictures of what you end up with.

'mater,
Yes, 30" x 15' for the hoophouse, then 48" x 30' raised bed for other plants.

dcarch

Earl · January 1, 2007

I have one that I can disasemble. Made with unglued pvc
pipe. It fits against the side of my house. Easy to take
down, roll-up pvc in plastic and put in the barn.

Ruth_10 · January 1, 2007

Tania, very nice looking set up (drool, drool). What method do you use to stretch the plastic over the frame and how do you attach the plastic to the frame?

Tania · January 1, 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruth_10

Tania, very nice looking set up (drool, drool). What method do you use to stretch the plastic over the frame and how do you attach the plastic to the frame?

Ruth,

We use a thin wooden strip to attach plastic to the frame; the strips are screwed into the frame, and the plastic 'sandwiched' in between - hopefully you can see it in the picture (on the right side):

velikipop · January 2, 2007

Check this site out. The plan is easy, economical and simple.

http://westsidegardener.com/howto/hoophouse.html

dcarch · May 10, 2007

Time to remove and store the hoophouse away. Total time to remove: about two minutes.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XuhAf9mEtRE
dcarch

All the parts for the hoophouse to be stored for next season.

Sub Artic Maxi fruiting already

Warren · May 14, 2007

I am just looking for something to cover my plants with over the winter (I want to try to keep them alive year round. I have eight foot bamboo stakes and I just want to cover them with plastic. Anything else I should do?

dcarch · May 15, 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren

I am just looking for something to cover my plants with over the winter (I want to try to keep them alive year round. I have eight foot bamboo stakes and I just want to cover them with plastic. Anything else I should do?

A lot of covering materials are not transparent enough. The ones which are transparent to let light in also have the problem of heating up the inside to too high a temperature. You can cook your plants in a very short time if you are not careful.

What I will be doing is to install small fans on the flat ends of the tunnel with a thermostat so that I never have to worry about cooking my plants.

Take a look at farmtek.com. they have many covering material for you to work with.

dcarch

Tomatovator · January 2, 2007

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Go to Walmart.com and search for "flowerhouse row house" maybe you could use this? I think I'm going to give it a try.

LoreD · January 2, 2007

This one might work. Its cheap and since its fitted it looks fairly attractive. Go to the item search put in Plastic Row Cover Kit

www.leevalley.com

LoreD

January 1, 2007	#1
dcarch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NY Posts: 2,618	Hoophouse/cold frame ideas. Please. (pic heavy) Holidays are over. Back to work. I am sure many of you (Z6 +) are planning to start seeds for 2007 soon. I am thinking of building a hoophouse to gain maybe a month or more extra growing time or to get some early tomatoes earlier. Here are some of my considerations (limitations): 1. I only have room in the front lawn for about 30” x 15’. 2. Being in a residential area, the hoophouse has to look decent, I don’t want neighbors to complain. 3. I need to have the hoophouse removable once the weather gets warm. I don’t have a lot of storage space, so whatever components used have to be minimum. I ‘d appreciate any ideas and advice. Thank you. dcarch :wink: __________________ tomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomato matomato tomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomato matomato tomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomato matomato

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Tania Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anmore, BC, Canada Posts: 3,970	my portable cold frames (2 people can easily carry them around, and they are just heavy enough not to be blown by strong wind): each frame is 4'x6' and 3 to 5' tall, which is the most 'economical' size, given the price of 2"x4" wood, but same idea can be used for 2'x6' or 2'x8' Re plastic - buy the best available, otherwise you'll be replacing plastic every 2 years or so. Good luck dcarch! And please share your pictures with us, during and after construction __________________ Tatiana's TOMATObase

January 1, 2007	#6
dcarch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NY Posts: 2,618	Papa Vic, Thanks. it's giving me some ideas. Tania, Wow! What an incredible setup you have! DavidinCT, Love to see some pictures of what you end up with. 'mater, Yes, 30" x 15' for the hoophouse, then 48" x 30' raised bed for other plants. dcarch __________________ tomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomato matomato tomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomato matomato tomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomato matomato

January 1, 2007	#8
Ruth_10 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MO z6a near St. Louis Posts: 1,349	Tania, very nice looking set up (drool, drool). What method do you use to stretch the plastic over the frame and how do you attach the plastic to the frame? __________________ --Ruth Some say the glass half-full. Others say the glass is half-empty. To an engineer, it’s twice as big as it needs to be.

January 2, 2007	#10
velikipop Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 768	Check this site out. The plan is easy, economical and simple. http://westsidegardener.com/howto/hoophouse.html __________________ I'll plant and I'll harvest what the earth brings forth The hammer's on the table, the pitchfork's on the shelf Bob Dylan

January 1, 2007	#2
travis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 2,984	http://www.middlecity.com/backyard/hoophouse.shtml I'm not sure this would be "neighborhood friendly" but I think it can be adapted to look nice if the substructure were nicely designed and constructed. But then my wife has already nixed it for my backyard saying it would be visible to one neighbor and some passersby. Oh well. PV

January 1, 2007	#4
DavidinCT Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Connecticut Zone 6B Posts: 88	I have a little more space but the same neighborhood concerns you do, dcarch. Going to see if these wooden tomato cages (scroll down for photo) tested at the U.C. Bay Area Research and Extension Center facility will serve as cold frames for a few weeks. Plan on wrapping plastic a few feet high around the 4 eight foot 2x2's, then poking the side and end supporting dowels through the plastic as needed The roof will be angled by inserting dowels at different levels. To fit in with the neigborhood homes, the cages will be painted white. Should be elegant. I hope. Have no idea if this will work. Don't take my advice as this is my first serious tomato garden (serious in intent, we'll see how serious the crop is). Perhaps the plants won't have enough circulation in the two and a half by four foot area I intend to surround by the cage; perhaps I shouldn't be planting in the ground at all here in April. If this sounds like a bad idea to anyone, I would appreciate a heads up . . .

January 1, 2007	#7
Earl Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 1,278	I have one that I can disasemble. Made with unglued pvc pipe. It fits against the side of my house. Easy to take down, roll-up pvc in plastic and put in the barn.

May 10, 2007	#11
dcarch Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NY Posts: 2,618	Time to remove and store the hoophouse away. Total time to remove: about two minutes. http://youtube.com/watch?v=XuhAf9mEtRE dcarch All the parts for the hoophouse to be stored for next season. Sub Artic Maxi fruiting already __________________ tomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomato matomato tomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomato matomato tomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomatomato matomato

May 14, 2007	#12
Warren Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kilgore Texas Posts: 102	I am just looking for something to cover my plants with over the winter (I want to try to keep them alive year round. I have eight foot bamboo stakes and I just want to cover them with plastic. Anything else I should do?

January 2, 2007	#14
Tomatovator Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Zone 6 Posts: 461	D Go to Walmart.com and search for "flowerhouse row house" maybe you could use this? I think I'm going to give it a try.

January 2, 2007	#15
LoreD Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 306	This one might work. Its cheap and since its fitted it looks fairly attractive. Go to the item search put in Plastic Row Cover Kit www.leevalley.com LoreD __________________ Its not what you get to keep in life, its what you get to give away.