VFN Hi Sugar, Lutescent PL Dwarf, others; any info/experience?

[korney19]

Has anybody grown these or have any info about them?

VFN Hi Sugar
Wonder of the Earth
Legenda Tarasenka (Legend of Tarasenka?)
Jack's Giant Oxheart
Red Center Orange (SSE TO-635B)
Big Yellow Red Center (SSE TO-667)
Small Yellow Red Bottom (China)
Yellow Multi-colored
Santa Cruz/Santa Cruz B/Santa Cruz Gigante
Lutescent Potato Leaf Dwarf

Any info/help is greatly appreciated.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by korney19

Has anybody grown these or have any info about them?

VFN Hi Sugar
Wonder of the Earth
Legenda Tarasenka (Legend of Tarasenka?)
Jack's Giant Oxheart
Red Center Orange (SSE TO-635B)
Big Yellow Red Center (SSE TO-667)
Small Yellow Red Bottom (China)
Yellow Multi-colored
Santa Cruz/Santa Cruz B/Santa Cruz Gigante
Lutescent Potato Leaf Dwarf

Any info/help is greatly appreciated.

Mark, where Have you been, so glad to see you here, and now just a few comments about the above.

Wonder of the Earth I know as:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Wonder_Light

aka Wonder of the World, aka Plum Lemon which is the name that most folks know it by,

Big Yellow Red Bottom I think I know as:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki...b=General_Info

But maybe not, since no mention of China,

Lutescent Potato Leaf Dwarf I've never heard of, Lutescent itself, yes, I know very well. No time to Google it.

Legenda Tarasenko, Tania lists it:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Legenda_Tarasenko

I don't know the others and Tania doesn't list the Jack one but I'm assuming you already have Googled most if not all of them.

Carolyn

[korney19]

Hi Carolyn! Hope everything is well with you.

Hahaha! Thanks for trying, you did get Tarasenko right I think! I've grown YORI (Yellow Out Red In) but pretty sure this is something else... actually 2 varieties--

Big Yellow Red Center (SSE TO-667)
Small Yellow Red Bottom (China!)

Yellow Multi-colored is also from China!

I will try to post pics if I figure out how--Verizon deleted ALL my mater pics and did away with hosting so have to figure out how to attach...

The Wonder of the Earth (the name she told me didn't have the word "the" but I assume that's a common translation problem) is also called "CHUDO ZEMLI" and she said, "Fruits are very smooth, round-flat, deep pink color. Super large, weighing up to 1200g, wonderful taste."

Sounding that good I figured somebody here must have grown it!

Tatiana's just says it's a Russian commercial variety.

Would you believe the only tomatoes I have planted so far are the 2 different "Stick" tomatoes??? Everything else is still rootbound in 6-packs! I still have some of last year's varieties in the raised beds I must pull what's left and dispose, sanitize and freshen the beds... I have some weed that is about 3 feet tall already I must remove.

I actually just got most of the buckets prepared (not planted yet) using a cement mixer (30 down, 3 more to weed, amend and set in place, lay the driplines, then plant ALL except 2!) 54 varieties including a Stupice that has those long trusses like cherry tomatoes!

We just had some huge storms roll thru around 10:30-11pm, heading your way!

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by korney19

Hi Carolyn! Hope everything is well with you.

Hahaha! Thanks for trying, you did get Tarasenko right I think! I've grown YORI (Yellow Out Red In) but pretty sure this is something else... actually 2 varieties--

Big Yellow Red Center (SSE TO-667)
Small Yellow Red Bottom (China!)

Yellow Multi-colored is also from China!

I will try to post pics if I figure out how--Verizon deleted ALL my mater pics and did away with hosting so have to figure out how to attach...

The Wonder of the Earth (the name she told me didn't have the word "the" but I assume that's a common translation problem) is also called "CHUDO ZEMLI" and she said, "Fruits are very smooth, round-flat, deep pink color. Super large, weighing up to 1200g, wonderful taste."

Sounding that good I figured somebody here must have grown it!

Tatiana's just says it's a Russian commercial variety.

Would you believe the only tomatoes I have planted so far are the 2 different "Stick" tomatoes??? Everything else is still rootbound in 6-packs! I still have some of last year's varieties in the raised beds I must pull what's left and dispose, sanitize and freshen the beds... I have some weed that is about 3 feet tall already I must remove.

I actually just got most of the buckets prepared (not planted yet) using a cement mixer (30 down, 3 more to weed, amend and set in place, lay the driplines, then plant ALL except 2!) 54 varieties including a Stupice that has those long trusses like cherry tomatoes!

We just had some huge storms roll thru around 10:30-11pm, heading your way!

And just what do you mean when you refer to TWO different Stick plants? I thought the Love Canal toxicity was solved many years ago. I onely know ONE Stick.

The picture you show from a Chinese CO, is that the one that photoshops so many of the varieties they offer? I kid you not, I used to know the name of the CO and somewhere here, kind of way back, there's a thread about that Co with pictures.

Just rain, no T storms, since the temps dropped. But we here in Eastern NY rely on all of you in W NYS to suck the power out of storms before they get to us. It doesn't always work, though, as in two tornado watches for us last week.

Carolyn

[korney19]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

And just what do you mean when you refer to TWO different Stick plants? I thought the Love Canal toxicity was solved many years ago. I onely know ONE Stick.

The picture you show from a Chinese CO, is that the one that photoshops so many of the varieties they offer? I kid you not, I used to know the name of the CO and somewhere here, kind of way back, there's a thread about that Co with pictures.

Just rain, no T storms, since the temps dropped. But we here in Eastern NY rely on all of you in W NYS to suck the power out of storms before they get to us. It doesn't always work, though, as in two tornado watches for us last week.

Carolyn

You might be thinking of the company that sells seeds to grow strawberries--in white, pink, bright green, bright yellow, and black! LOL. Some even have blue & magenta!

I don't know how the Chinese do it--somebody better tell them that tomatoes have names in the western world! I'm also growing a dwarf, "Heirloom Healthy Vegetable Mini Cherry Red Gem Tomato Seeds." LOL!

I am starting to wonder if businesses are just owned communisticly and proceeds go to the emperor!

Shaking my head, on my way out to the yarden to still weed 3 overgrown raised beds, two paths that disappeared, three 5-gallon buckets, amend them all with 7 cat litter buckets-full of free rotted horse crap, Mel's Square Foot Gardening Ready-To-Use Potting Mix which H-D waived the shipping costs, shredded leaves, then blast 53 rootbound tomato and 22 pepper plants' rootballs with a garden hose to loosen up the roots, plant everything, check all the driplines, install the new fertilizer injector, wire it up, and get something to eat! Well... that's the plan, anyway!

[carolyn137]

About your two supposed Stick plants.

Yes, I know the original was a mutation from Stokesdale and I've never grown Stokesdale.

How do you know that what you say are a different shade of green fruits are a mutant from Aisla Craig?

Yes, I've grown Aisla Craig, I can't remember what it was crossed with which gave rise to the varieties Tangella, Craigella and Tigerella, and no, I have no memory at all what color the unripe fruits of Aisla craig were but I assume they weren't anything much different or I know I would remember.

Back to your aberrent Stick, aka Curl, and being a mutant of Aisla Craig.

For sure I didn't read many of the links in these Google links, but I can't find any connection between a Stick and Aisla Craig.

Why don't you take a look yourself.

And first Tania's link, then the others.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Stick

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...+tomato+origin

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...ant+appearance

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...mato+mutations

Happy reading.

Carolyn

[korney19]

See the 2 different NSL #'s:

NSL 116395:
Narrative: Cu/Cu in 'Stokesdale' background


NSL 342302:
Narrative: Cu in 'Ailsa Craig' background

Maybe saying the two "Curls" is more appropriate, but I'd bet if I posted either in a picture, you'd say it's Stick! I've grown both and will try to note differences again, but what stands out the most is the unripe fruit color.

Back outside as not much got done yesterday...

[korney19]

I'm not sure which is which, but one has typical, pale green unripe fruits; the other has really dark green unripe fruits...

One was a mutation from Stokesdale; the other was a mutation from Ailsa Craig.

Maybe you know more about those two old commercial varieties and know what they looked like, unripe?

[NarnianGarden]

I still have a seed pack from that Chinese company somewhere - could not find space for that experiment this year. Next year, perhaps... My seed pack only says 'mixed heirlooms', I wonder what I'll get - hopefully nothing red ... if I want a red tomato, I might as well head straight to the supermarket

[korney19]

Here are more I found... funny how some packs say "Melons" on them!

[NarnianGarden]

Oooooh, you have the whole collection
If I had unlimited space, I would happily grow out the Chinese seeds to see what they give... perhaps next year, at least a few. 20 seeds in the packet...
Wonder if any of them are actual known heirlooms, or just some commercial varieties (nothing wrong with that, just misleading)..

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by NarnianGarden

Oooooh, you have the whole collection
If I had unlimited space, I would happily grow out the Chinese seeds to see what they give... perhaps next year, at least a few. 20 seeds in the packet...
Wonder if any of them are actual known heirlooms, or just some commercial varieties (nothing wrong with that, just misleading)..

Bottom row, third one in from the left is an eggplant, I'm sure everyone noticed.

But not to worry since Mark has offered to grow all that are shown, even the ones labeled MELONS, and definitively ID them for all of us.

Carolyn

[korney19]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Bottom row, third one in from the left is an eggplant, I'm sure everyone noticed.

But not to worry since Mark has offered to grow all that are shown, even the ones labeled MELONS, and definitively ID them for all of us.

Carolyn

HaHa! Yes, I noticed that eggplant too, and there are many I would grow to ID/compare, but I must use judgment deciding what to grow with limited space. For example, I ordered "Purple Garlic Chive" and upon closer scrutiny (seeing the pack in my hand!) they are labeled as LEEKS! To my knowledge, leeks are biennials and garlic chives are perennials, and the front of the pack says Leek but the back says Perennial herb.

Doing a search on Allium tuberosum rotti:

Allium tuberosum is an Asian species of onion native to the Himalayas (Nepal, Bhutan, India) and to the Chinese Province of Shanxi. It is cultivated in many places and naturalized in scattered locations around the world.[1][4]
The species is commonly known as garlic chives, Chinese chives, Oriental garlic, Chinese leek, also known by the Chinese name kow choi[5]

BUT, further down the page:

Allium tuberosum is one of several Allium species known as wild onion and/or wild garlic that in various parts of the world are listed as noxious weeds[10] or as "high impact environmental or agricultural" weeds.[11]
Allium tuberosum is currently reported to be found growing wild in scattered locations in the United States. (Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Nebraska, Alabama, Iowa, Arkansas, Nebraska and Wisconsin)[10][12][13] However, it is believed to be more widespread in North America because of availability of seeds and seedlings of this species as an exotic herb and because of its high aggressiveness. This species is also widespread across much of mainland Europe.[14]

So, I didn't plant any...

I hope I didn't waste my $0.86 USD including shipping!!

[korney19]

Originally Posted by NarnianGarden

Oooooh, you have the whole collection
If I had unlimited space, I would happily grow out the Chinese seeds to see what they give... perhaps next year, at least a few. 20 seeds in the packet...
Wonder if any of them are actual known heirlooms, or just some commercial varieties (nothing wrong with that, just misleading)..

That's a stock photo--I only have 3 or 4 of them! I'm growing 3 of them--the yellow with the red bottom, the small dwarf plant with red fruit, and one not pictured, a yellow multi-colored that looks like an elongated Green Zebra but mostly yellow w/green stripes. I also have one of the black tomatoes that looks like a large cherry, and I did order that one in the separate pic but they screwed the that one up and sent me one of the black cherries. Ironically, that missing one was called "No Solution Tomato!" Out of about 70 varieties started, the Yellow Red Bottom is my thickest, tallest transplant.

I, too, wonder if any are knock-offs of known varieties. The Mini REd Gem looks a bit like Micro Tom, and some look like Black Cherry & Green Zebra. The No Solution looks like Copia/Summer Cider or whatever that pink striped one is called.

I also got a "Blue" variety from a different vendor called "Darkest tomato." LOL.

[NarnianGarden]

Originally Posted by korney19

That's a stock photo--I only have 3 or 4 of them! I'm growing 3 of them--the yellow with the red bottom, the small dwarf plant with red fruit, and one not pictured, a yellow multi-colored that looks like an elongated Green Zebra but mostly yellow w/green stripes. I also have one of the black tomatoes that looks like a large cherry, and I did order that one in the separate pic but they screwed the that one up and sent me one of the black cherries. Ironically, that missing one was called "No Solution Tomato!" Out of about 70 varieties started, the Yellow Red Bottom is my thickest, tallest transplant.

I, too, wonder if any are knock-offs of known varieties. The Mini REd Gem looks a bit like Micro Tom, and some look like Black Cherry & Green Zebra. The No Solution looks like Copia/Summer Cider or whatever that pink striped one is called.

I also got a "Blue" variety from a different vendor called "Darkest tomato." LOL.

Mine simply says 'Tomato Mix'. The other options have names of known heirlooms, but also titles I never saw anywhere else... for example 'Mini Purple' is something I've only seen from Chinese sellers on eBay, Amazon and other vendor sites.
and 'Tang Colorful Tomato'