Pleated Tomatoes

LindyAdele · September 11, 2015

Does anyone have a favourite pleated tomato?

I know a lot of breeders try and 'smooth out' tomatoes to make them rounder, more uniform and useful. I really happen to love the look of the ridged, rippled pleated tomaotoes.

The only one I've grown is Zapotec (pink pleated is sometimes added to the title) which I really loved. I have grown it out for three years now and think I'd like to try a few others next year.

What have you tried and loved? Does anyone know of any stripped pleated tomatoes?

Gardenboy · September 11, 2015

Marmande Garnier Rouge is a very red/shiny pleated tomato. Give it a try sometime! I grow it every FL season.

barefootgardener · September 11, 2015

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Originally Posted by Gardenboy

Marmande Garnier Rouge is a very red/shiny pleated tomato. Give it a try sometime! I grow it every FL season.

One of my favorites!! A beautiful tomato.

If you like Zapotec there is a variety called Pink Accordion . It is also a partial hollowed out stuffing tomato.. I have not grown this variety, but I did grow Zapotec many years ago.

Ginny

**carolyn137** · September 11, 2015

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Originally Posted by LindyAdele

Does anyone have a favourite pleated tomato?

I know a lot of breeders try and 'smooth out' tomatoes to make them rounder, more uniform and useful. I really happen to love the look of the ridged, rippled pleated tomaotoes.

The only one I've grown is Zapotec (pink pleated is sometimes added to the title) which I really loved. I have grown it out for three years now and think I'd like to try a few others next year.

What have you tried and loved? Does anyone know of any stripped pleated tomatoes?

We've had this same thread before and I think you'll find that folks have different ideas as to what is pleated, what is ribbed, what is ridged and are they just found at the stem end or do they extend from the stem end to the blossom end.

I wish I had the time to go searching for those other threads I noted above, but right now I don't.

I'll give it some thought as to which ones I've grown that might meet the criteria but in the meantime here's a link to a variety that is quite unique, called Selbo's Ribbed Red and it will be listed in my upcoming seed offer.

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussi...to-that-i-grow

And Mike Selbo himself appeared here at Tville a bit ago and JLJ and I both recognized him, even though he had a different user name, after he posted pictures of the fruits and that b/c I sure knew it and JLJ was one of the persons I sent seeds to for seed production.

So do expect different answers IMO as to what is pleated and whatever it was I said above.

Carolyn

AlittleSalt · September 11, 2015

Lindy, I planted Zapotec but got a Zapotec cross instead. It tasted so good I planted more of them in the fall garden.

I do have Zapotec seeds now. I can't wait to see how they grow and taste next spring. I plan on growing one called, "Ceylon" https://www.google.com/search?q=ceyl...FUVoPgodQkELGw I don't know what you would call that shape, but it interesting to me.

Gardeneer · September 11, 2015

What I planted (from seeds) was supposed to be Polish Dwarf.
Well I don't know about th "Polish " part but it certainly is NOT a dwarf.
It got sicky (not the point) but the fruits were all pleated and fused .
These are the last ones I picked off of it.

Ed of Somis · September 11, 2015

Hi G, Those Polish Dwarfs do not look anything like the ones I grew this year.

Gardeneer · January 4, 2016

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Originally Posted by Ed of Somis

Hi G, Those Polish Dwarfs do not look anything like the ones I grew this year.

You're right. I didn't think so either.
My guess is that it is some kind of COSTOLUTO of Italian types.
They had very little juice, perfect on pasta. Here is a picture of a better one in the plate, the red pleated one, of course.

Worth1 · September 11, 2015

Ruffled tomatoes, Ruffles have ridges.

Worth

AlittleSalt · September 11, 2015

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Originally Posted by Worth1

Ruffled tomatoes, Ruffles have ridges.

Worth

Lol, I wonder if there is a correct term for tomato shapes mentioned in this thread? I just find them interesting. Taste is what matters most though.

Worth1 · September 11, 2015

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Originally Posted by AlittleSalt

Lol, I wonder if there is a correct term for tomato shapes mentioned in this thread? I just find them interesting. Taste is what matters most though.

Well Costoluto means ribbed in Italian.

The little tomato you spoke of Ceylon that you have seeds for.
It has like zero shelf life and is loaded with seeds.
There is another one called Red Star I think that I had seeds for but I dont know if I had any left when the package was sent.
It is much better.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...MRddpeTFnvmmcw

Worth

**carolyn137** · September 12, 2015

Yes, the several Costolutos are ribbed and the various Marmandes as well, Tania lists 6 of them and are also ribbed, I've only personally grown the Garnier one

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Marmande

But the ribbed ones that I like best of all are the various ones mainly from Italy but also some from France, that are called Albenga, Liguria, etc,

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Liguria

Kind of upside down hearts meaning large bottoms tapering to smaller stem ends and while the taste comments at the above page aren't enthusiastic, my experience growing several of them is quite different. Also note the similar ones listed, especially some just called Piriform, as in pear shaped.

And now for some eye candy.

First, a google Images for ribbed ones.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...43.rB4ZBkxXrq0

And for the heck of it now pleated ones:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...28.4tyvubyAOyg

Most of the time if you put your mouse over a picture you can see the source and of course there are some duplications in pictures between te ribbed link and the pleated link, which IMO is to be expected.

Carolyn

MarlynnMarcks · September 12, 2015

I've grown Zapotec and it was red and large. I liked the taste and it was productive, but I am not enamoured with pleated. Never the less I will be trying out two costelutos next season simply because I like the taste and texture of Zapotec so well.

**carolyn137** · September 12, 2015

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Originally Posted by MarlynnMarcks

I've grown Zapotec and it was red and large. I liked the taste and it was productive, but I am not enamoured with pleated. Never the less I will be trying out two costelutos next season simply because I like the taste and texture of Zapotec so well.

A red zapotec? That's interesting b/c I've never known of a red one. all I know is pink, and that from SSE Yearbook listings going way back as well as Tania's listing for it, and note it's known by several names at Tania's

Did you check the epidermis to see if it was clear or yellow?

And just b'c I'm curious what was the seed source for what you are calling red?

Thanks,

Carolyn

LindyAdele · September 14, 2015

The Zapotec I always planted was pink - and quite 'dry' inside, with a very rich flavour. I loved how it looked sliced on a pate with others.
I am thinking of trying Tim's Black Ruffles, it's just a cross with Zapotec. I am hoping to find a yellow one out there but searching this site, or the Tomatobase hasn't helped much...
Thanks everyone for the names of some of the 'classic' pleated tomatoes! None of them are quite as frilly as Zaoptec.

September 11, 2015	#1
LindyAdele Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 323	Pleated Tomatoes Does anyone have a favourite pleated tomato? I know a lot of breeders try and 'smooth out' tomatoes to make them rounder, more uniform and useful. I really happen to love the look of the ridged, rippled pleated tomaotoes. The only one I've grown is Zapotec (pink pleated is sometimes added to the title) which I really loved. I have grown it out for three years now and think I'd like to try a few others next year. What have you tried and loved? Does anyone know of any stripped pleated tomatoes?

September 12, 2015	#12
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Yes, the several Costolutos are ribbed and the various Marmandes as well, Tania lists 6 of them and are also ribbed, I've only personally grown the Garnier one http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Marmande But the ribbed ones that I like best of all are the various ones mainly from Italy but also some from France, that are called Albenga, Liguria, etc, http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Liguria Kind of upside down hearts meaning large bottoms tapering to smaller stem ends and while the taste comments at the above page aren't enthusiastic, my experience growing several of them is quite different. Also note the similar ones listed, especially some just called Piriform, as in pear shaped. And now for some eye candy. First, a google Images for ribbed ones. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...43.rB4ZBkxXrq0 And for the heck of it now pleated ones: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...28.4tyvubyAOyg Most of the time if you put your mouse over a picture you can see the source and of course there are some duplications in pictures between te ribbed link and the pleated link, which IMO is to be expected. Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

September 11, 2015	#2
Gardenboy Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 784	Marmande Garnier Rouge is a very red/shiny pleated tomato. Give it a try sometime! I grow it every FL season.

September 11, 2015	#5
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	Lindy, I planted Zapotec but got a Zapotec cross instead. It tasted so good I planted more of them in the fall garden. I do have Zapotec seeds now. I can't wait to see how they grow and taste next spring. I plan on growing one called, "Ceylon" https://www.google.com/search?q=ceyl...FUVoPgodQkELGw I don't know what you would call that shape, but it interesting to me.

September 11, 2015	#7
Ed of Somis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Somis, Ca Posts: 649	Hi G, Those Polish Dwarfs do not look anything like the ones I grew this year.

September 11, 2015	#9
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	Ruffled tomatoes, Ruffles have ridges. Worth

September 12, 2015	#13
MarlynnMarcks Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Port St Lucie, Florida Posts: 180	I've grown Zapotec and it was red and large. I liked the taste and it was productive, but I am not enamoured with pleated. Never the less I will be trying out two costelutos next season simply because I like the taste and texture of Zapotec so well.

September 14, 2015	#15
LindyAdele Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 323	The Zapotec I always planted was pink - and quite 'dry' inside, with a very rich flavour. I loved how it looked sliced on a pate with others. I am thinking of trying Tim's Black Ruffles, it's just a cross with Zapotec. I am hoping to find a yellow one out there but searching this site, or the Tomatobase hasn't helped much... Thanks everyone for the names of some of the 'classic' pleated tomatoes! None of them are quite as frilly as Zaoptec.