Cowlicks and Glicks

[TomatoDon]

I'm hoping to get back to winning ways with seeds, after some not-so-stellar results.

What is a good source for Cowlick's and Glick's Brandywine seeds? And was there another fairly new Brandywine variation similar to those? that came out in the past few years?

Thanks.

Don

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by TomatoDon

I'm hoping to get back to winning ways with seeds, after some not-so-stellar results.

What is a good source for Cowlick's and Glick's Brandywine seeds? And was there another fairly new Brandywine variation similar to those? that came out in the past few years?

Thanks.

Don

Don,I think the best thing to do is to go to the WANTED seed subforum and ask there if anyone has seeds b'c the two you mention, well really just the Cowlick one is well known

Many of us prefer the Brandywine ( Sudduth /Quisenberry one and I'm sure some folks here have that one as well, and there are several other so called strainsof Brandywine also available, I think I've grown almost all of them.

If you go to Tania's excellent website and look for Brandywine this or that you will see others,

Hope that helps, and yes, there are some commercial places that sell some of them but if some folks here have them, so much the better,

Carolyn

[TomatoDon]

Hi Carolyn, and thanks. I have seen them listed several places and was just getting a feel if there were any updated sources. Tatiana seems to always have a good selection of varieties, with a lot of attention to detail and accuracy.

I think I had some Cowlicks one year and had them going good. Then, one warm, sunny early spring afternoon I set them outside for some sun and within an hour a rain blew in, and the seedling tray was right under the drip line of the roof, and the run-off washed all the seedlings out of the tray. I salvaged most, but never knew what they were from then on. Seems like I got them going good again, and something else happened.

I love the Sudduth strain. Maybe the best raised bed I ever had was a bed of Sudduth's one year. I was always concerned that they wouldn't do well here in the deep South, but they did very well. I wanted to grow another bed of those this year, and have other strains such as the Cowlicks, Glicks, Earl's etc. for comparison. After the "rainy" spring I was so exasperated with not capitalizing on all those good seeds I don't think I've tried starting from seed since. (I have gotten seeds and given them to Amish friends to start, but I haven't personally spent much time, if any, trying to raised seedlings since then.)

Thanks for the input!

Don

[crazyoldgooseman]

I never have a problem getting what i need right here in the wanted varieties forum. Folks here in T,ville are just too nice!

I too would like to grow cowlicks, glicks, pawers suddiths and even brandyboy side by side one year. But so far I still like suddiths the best.

Good luck Don and let us know how it goes!

[TomatoDon]

I've tried to answer AmiDeutch 5 times, and it doesn't appear that any messages have gone through. If Ami sees this, this answer is 6-8 plants.

I have no idea why my messages aren't sending. I've sent and received plenty of them in the past. Has there been a recent glitch in the message system?

Don

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by crazyoldgooseman

I never have a problem getting what i need right here in the wanted varieties forum. Folks here in T,ville are just too nice!

I too would like to grow cowlicks, glicks, pawers suddiths and even brandyboy side by side one year. But so far I still like suddiths the best.

Good luck Don and let us know how it goes!

No,you don't want to grow Pawers b/c it's NOT a Brandywine strain at all, it's a typo that has been perpetuated and is actually someones SSE code.

PA=state
WE=Wentworth,persons last name
R= Roger, his first name.

Just as my SSE code is

NY, state
MA, first two letters of last name
C, first name Carolyn

Gotta love it.

Carolyn

[Ed of Somis]

Well, my two cents worth is: I grew Brandywine Cowlick's this season (1st time)...and it was awesome in taste and a very good producer. It returns to my garden in 2016.

[amideutch]

Don, you have mail.

Ami

[crazyoldgooseman]

Thanks for the heads UP!

I will try not to perpetuate SSE codes as names in the future.

MD CL B

[TomatoDon]

Isn't there a Liam's strain of Brandywine?

And didn't someone here compose a list of all the Brandywine strains that have been identified?

And didn't we decide that the regular "Pink" Brandywine we see at Wal Mart, Lowe's and Home Depot are all Sudduth? I think that's the case in my areas where Bonnie's Plants supplies all those stores.

Does anything have the "complete" Brandywine list?

Don

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by TomatoDon

Isn't there a Liam's strain of Brandywine?

And didn't someone here compose a list of all the Brandywine strains that have been identified?

And didn't we decide that the regular "Pink" Brandywine we see at Wal Mart, Lowe's and Home Depot are all Sudduth? I think that's the case in my areas where Bonnie's Plants supplies all those stores.

Does anything have the "complete" Brandywine list?

Don

There is a complete list of BRandywines, some not pure Brandywines, at Tania's superb database.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Main_Page

The problem is that some may have names attached to them by the grower and then were entered into the SSE Yearbook that way and may not be different at all.

As for Liams, which is NOT a pure brandywine, here's the link for that one

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Brandywine,_Liams

Larry, a friend of Craig Lehoulier was helping to grow out the initial accidental cross between Lucky Cross and brandywine and he got this large pink one,certainly some genes from brandywine, but not a pure Brandywine. And then SSE listed it himself.

No different really from

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/B..._(Off_The_Vine)

Where the final selection had some Yellow brandywine genes in it, but not a pure brandywine.

Just my opinion but given the situation again, I doubt that it was a good idea to name it OTV Brandywine.

OTV, Off the Vine, was an international newsletter that I started in the early 90's, asked craig if he wanted to join with me,he did and we co published it for several years to about the mid 90's

Carolyn

[Gardeneer]

Here is how Bonnie's describe their:

Heirloom. This popular beefsteak-sized, Amish tomato produces rosy pink fruits loaded with an old-fashioned tomato taste that has been prized for decades. It is considered one of the benchmarks for intense tomato flavor. The indeterminate vines are vigorous, so use tall cages. Vines yield tomatoes that ripen gradually until frost. Plants have “potato leaf” foliage. The tangy taste of Brandywine is a gourmet cook’s delight.

And their picture
I wonder who coined the name "Brandywine" first.

[AKmark]

I grew Cowlick's and Glick's side by side a couple of years ago, I thought Glick's was sorta bland in comparison. Liam's was excellent, on par with Sudduth's.

[TomatoDon]

What is a source for Liam's?
<Edit. I just found it at Tomato Grower's Supply and Tatiana's.>

[AKmark]

TomatoDon, my Liam's came from Greyghost here at TV, like Carolyn said it is not a pure BW, but they taste great I noticed it in the new TGS catalog too.