bogus seeds?

[slugworth]

2 years ago I got seeds shipped from china that were supposed to be indigo rose,but the tomatoes were a lot larger than 2oz and they never were any color but red.
The same goes for sub arctic plenty,the tomatoes took like 80 days to ripen and there were 3 different types of tomato on the same plant.
I forgot the name of the place I ordered from on amazon but I would be leery of any seeds from china.

[Uncle Doss]

right, don't buy seeds from China.
Search ebay, there are listings for square watermelon seeds, with pictures of square watermelons. No mention that square watermelons are grown in forms to make them square.
I have also seen seeds for red, blue, green, purple, and black strawberries on eBay, all from China. All the pictures of the berries are the same exact picture, just photoshopped to change the color.

I would say the Chinese aren't exactly honest and forthcoming about factual information with the seeds they sell.

[slugworth]

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007HMW8H2/...332200_TE_item
and the # on the seed packet is SV002837 when googled shows a black russian cherry tomato,so it was a double whammy failure.

[Worth1]

Nothing new with these folks.
Years ago they made a junkie fake Mouser rife that had Mouser stamped on it and below that it said USA.
Mouser is Made in Germany.
Then there are the crappy scooters and motorcycles they are flooding the market with.
They are nothing but piles of junk.

[twillis2252]

As the standard of living in China improves, many manufacturer's have shifted production to Vietnam. Always following the "lowest" labor cost.

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by twillis2252

As the standard of living in China improves, many manufacturer's have shifted production to Vietnam. Always following the "lowest" labor cost.

There is actually some good stuff that comes out of China you just have to know what it is.
If the product is one that used to be made here you cant blame them you can blame people like GE that have dropped the quality of their products.
When I was younger I was programmed to think all things out of Japan was junk.
This is simply not the case.
As for buying seeds on EBAY and amazon I have yet to do it nor will I ever.
There are too many reliable vendors out there to take a chance.

The square watermelon is something strange all together.
They are very expensive and not fit to eat.
People buy them for art and display.
They cant get them ripe and the exact size at the same time.
They tried but failed so they are marketed as art.

Worth

[heirloomtomaguy]

Originally Posted by Worth1

There is actually some good stuff that comes out of China you just have to know what it is.
If the product is one that used to be made here you cant blame them you can blame people like GE that have dropped the quality of their products.
When I was younger I was programmed to think all things out of Japan was junk.
This is simply not the case.
As for buying seeds on EBAY and amazon I have yet to do it nor will I ever.
There are too many reliable vendors out there to take a chance.

The square watermelon is something strange all together.
They are very expensive and not fit to eat.
People buy them for art and display.
They cant get them ripe and the exact size at the same time.
They tried but failed so they are marketed as art.

Worth

There is a guy out here in Ventura County CA that has through years of research, dialed in the process to grow watermelons shaped like squares, hearts, and other shapes. He also grows some pretty awesome Frankenstein head pumpkins. The cool part is that these watermelons are ripe and edible just like any other watermelon. Dont get me wrong these are display peices but at least you can eat them. The ones in China are no where near ripe and are display only. Here is a link to the guy out here in CA that does it.
http://www.moldedmelons.com/

[seaeagle]

Originally Posted by Worth1

There is actually some good stuff that comes out of China you just have to know what it is.
If the product is one that used to be made here you cant blame them you can blame people like GE that have dropped the quality of their products.
When I was younger I was programmed to think all things out of Japan was junk.
This is simply not the case.
As for buying seeds on EBAY and amazon I have yet to do it nor will I ever.
There are too many reliable vendors out there to take a chance.

The square watermelon is something strange all together.
They are very expensive and not fit to eat.
People buy them for art and display.
They cant get them ripe and the exact size at the same time.
They tried but failed so they are marketed as art.

Worth

There are many reputable seed sellers on EBAY.You have to look at the approval ratings and if they have thousands of comments and 99 percent approval rating chances are they are pretty good.Most of the good ones also have their own websites too.

I ordered from Angelfield and the seeds were in my mailbox in 2 days, way more than what I ordered.She has 99% approval rating.Excellent germination and all potato leaf like they are supposed to be.Organically grown and with a net to deter cross pollination.I wonder if some of the "reputable" seed sellers would have approval ratings that high if they were being rated like EBAY does, just from what I read here

http://www.ebay.com/usr/angelfieldtomatoes?rt=nc

It is illegal to transport seeds from China anyway,I think, and they will be confiscated by customs and many have been.I have seen some seeds sold from China on EBAY that are like 99 cents and free shipping.I can't figure out how they do that and make money.

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by seaeagle

There are many reputable seed sellers on EBAY.You have to look at the approval ratings and if they have thousands of comments and 99 percent approval rating chances are they are pretty good.Most of the good ones also have their own websites too.

I ordered from Angelfield and the seeds were in my mailbox in 2 days, way more than what I ordered.She has 99% approval rating.Excellent germination and all potato leaf like they are supposed to be.Organically grown and with a net to deter cross pollination.I wonder if some of the "reputable" seed sellers would have approval ratings that high if they were being rated like EBAY does, just from what I read here

http://www.ebay.com/usr/angelfieldtomatoes?rt=nc

It is illegal to transport seeds from China anyway,I think, and they will be confiscated by customs and many have been.I have seen some seeds sold from China on EBAY that are like 99 cents and free shipping.I can't figure out how they do that and make money.

Not saying there aren't reputable people there but the way my luck goes well what can I say.
As for shipping it is another subject on economics and its history but in today's market shipping is almost free.
Believe it or not the container type shipping used the be illegal in the US.
A great part this was to protect the dock workers.
With that change and other trade agreements the pacific shipping lanes are now almost like a super highway.
There isn't one time you cant go to the Anchorage airport without seeing several 747's converted to cargo, getting refueled and serviced from flight from Asia.


Worth

[slugworth]

I had good luck with live plants from hirts,but the seeds were from china.

[ContainerTed]

Worth, I don't think I'm brave/stupid enough to pull the trigger on a rifle or shotgun or pistol made in China. There's a private skeet range about 200 yards from where I launch my bass boat. They've had two weapons explode in the last 5 years and none in the 35 years before that. Those two weapons were traced back to metal made in China. They don't allow China stuff of any kind inside the compound now. Members have to prove that their weapons and ammo are Not China made. The club president lost his left eye on the last malfunction. He also owns the land the range is on. I'd probably be on his side in a jury vote.

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by ContainerTed

Worth, I don't think I'm brave/stupid enough to pull the trigger on a rifle or shotgun or pistol made in China. There's a private skeet range about 200 yards from where I launch my bass boat. They've had two weapons explode in the last 5 years and none in the 35 years before that. Those two weapons were traced back to metal made in China. They don't allow China stuff of any kind inside the compound now. Members have to prove that their weapons and ammo are Not China made. The club president lost his left eye on the last malfunction. He also owns the land the range is on. I'd probably be on his side in a jury vote.

Ted not to get plum off track but it was in a book on Mauser rifles that has been around for a long time.
It is THE book on these rifles.
The pictures and the part in the book was about just that, how sorry and dangerous these things were.
I will send you a PM and might start a thread to tell you my discovery on this junk so as not to go off topic here.
Is it really a bargain, literally not on your life.

Worth

[slugworth]

whatever the seeds were I did have a mutant I saved seeds from.So that should be interesting.
It had 3 main stems from 1 seed.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by slugworth

whatever the seeds were I did have a mutant I saved seeds from.So that should be interesting.
It had 3 main stems from 1 seed.

Each seed has one embryo so that germination leads to one plant.

So what probably happened to give you the three sprouts,which is what I think you are referring to means that several seeds were stuck together. Not a mutant.

And it happens a lot that when saving seeds they can get stuck together whatever process one uses, and you can just take your thumb and first finger and go back and forth a bit to loosen up those seeds.

I just sent out lots of seeds to my seed producers and although all of them are very experienced, but still I reminded them about stuck together seeds that had been sent to me,couldn't help myself since some of the seeds sent to me had enough seeds,barely,for only one person and I had no time to check for stuck together seeds..

Carolyn

[slugworth]

the china seeds were in a brown bubble envelope and marked "household articles" gift