Red Jazz and high flavor red beefsteaks

Fred Hempel · June 22, 2016

I am evaluating 5 potential "Red Jazz" lines this coming year, with the hope of releasing one of them. Red Jazz = red beefsteak with yellow stripes.

I want to make sure that I compare them to not only each other, but also to all of the best red beefsteak lines out there (with and without stripes).

I have a couple of favorite red beefsteaks I have typically used as "flavor controls" in my field, but I am interested in hearing about what other people consider to be the best red beefsteak tomatoes with regard to flavor.

Also, are there any red beefsteaks out there with yellow stripes? I am pretty sure Brandy Stripe and Vintage Wine are both pink -- although on some websites they look red.

ContainerTed · June 22, 2016

Hey, Fred. The one I use as my gold standard is "Bulgarian Old Sort - No Name". When I don't grow it, then I look to Herman's Special and Mikhalych. They all have that hint of sweetness and lots of old fashioned flavor that leaves a clean and satisfying taste in the mouth. I do have others that I use from time to time, but Bulgarian Old Sort is the best all around.

Tormato · June 22, 2016

In my garden, I can count high flavor red beefsteaks on one hand. Roughly 95% of red beefsteak varieties I trial are duds.

Shuntukski Velican and Neves Azorean Red are the two standout varieties. I'm also working on selecting a great tasting PL red beefsteak from Granny's Heart.

Gary

Fred Hempel · June 22, 2016

NAR is one of my current controls... Really good tomato.

**carolyn137** · June 22, 2016

I have grown Bulgarian Old Sort since Freddy used to be a member here and he's from the UK,but spent summers in Bulgaria and sent this one and several others to both Tania and myself. I was not impressed.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/B...d_Sort_No_Name

Large red beefsteaks that I prefer might include the following,and will always be faves for me.

Neves Azorean Red
Chapman
Couilles de Taureau
Ashleigh
Red Penna
Red Barn
Istra, from Slovenia
Primorski Pacug, ditto

.....to name just a few.

And can prioritize them if you would like me to do that.

Carolyn

Cole_Robbie · June 22, 2016

Big Beef is my flavor control, because I think it is the best-tasting hybrid. If an OP variety doesn't taste better than Big Beef, there's no point to me in growing it.

The seeds I got from AKMark, what he calls "Mat-Su" express have blown away everything else I have tried so far this year in regard to flavor. I had some cat-facing, but cat-facing was bad on all my varieties due to cold spring weather.

Gardenboy · June 22, 2016

By far the best red for me last season was Aker's West Virginia. Very solid tomato close to a pound and juicy. With that old fashioned tomato taste. Will be growing several of this varieties this season in Aug.

Cole_Robbie · June 22, 2016

The biggest challenge to Red Jazz will be out-doing the original Jazz. That's a tough act to follow.

Fred Hempel · June 23, 2016

I have Big Beef as a control too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cole_Robbie

Big Beef is my flavor control, because I think it is the best-tasting hybrid. If an OP variety doesn't taste better than Big Beef, there's no point to me in growing it.

The seeds I got from AKMark, what he calls "Mat-Su" express have blown away everything else I have tried so far this year in regard to flavor. I had some cat-facing, but cat-facing was bad on all my varieties due to cold spring weather.

Fred Hempel · June 23, 2016

That would be great!

Quote:

Originally Posted by carolyn137

I have grown Bulgarian Old Sort since Freddy used to be a member here and he's from the UK,but spent summers in Bulgaria and sent this one and several others to both Tania and myself. I was not impressed.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/B...d_Sort_No_Name

Large red beefsteaks that I prefer might include the following,and will always be faves for me.

Neves Azorean Red
Chapman
Couilles de Taureau
Ashleigh
Red Penna
Red Barn
Istra, from Slovenia
Primorski Pacug, ditto

.....to name just a few.

And can prioritize them if you would like me to do that.

Carolyn

**carolyn137** · June 23, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Hempel

That would be great!

Can do Fred, and perhaps even adding a few more.

No time so far today with PT, RN, MS demanding an update which always bothers me ,you name it stopping by for this and that.

But will do when I can,honest.

Carolyn

MarlynnMarcks · June 23, 2016

Good to see you back and posting again. Yes, would like you to prioritize.

Barbee · June 22, 2016

Lescana is one of my favorites

BigVanVader · June 22, 2016

Goid to hear and I'd be willing to do a small grow out when you get close. Everything your family has bred that I've grown has been outstanding.

Fred Hempel · June 23, 2016

As a collaborating member, these will be one of the things I send to you for next year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigVanVader

Goid to hear and I'd be willing to do a small grow out when you get close. Everything your family has bred that I've grown has been outstanding.

June 22, 2016	#1
Fred Hempel Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Sunol, CA Posts: 2,723	Red Jazz and high flavor red beefsteaks I am evaluating 5 potential "Red Jazz" lines this coming year, with the hope of releasing one of them. Red Jazz = red beefsteak with yellow stripes. I want to make sure that I compare them to not only each other, but also to all of the best red beefsteak lines out there (with and without stripes). I have a couple of favorite red beefsteaks I have typically used as "flavor controls" in my field, but I am interested in hearing about what other people consider to be the best red beefsteak tomatoes with regard to flavor. Also, are there any red beefsteaks out there with yellow stripes? I am pretty sure Brandy Stripe and Vintage Wine are both pink -- although on some websites they look red.

June 22, 2016	#2
ContainerTed Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 6a - NE Tennessee Posts: 4,538	Hey, Fred. The one I use as my gold standard is "Bulgarian Old Sort - No Name". When I don't grow it, then I look to Herman's Special and Mikhalych. They all have that hint of sweetness and lots of old fashioned flavor that leaves a clean and satisfying taste in the mouth. I do have others that I use from time to time, but Bulgarian Old Sort is the best all around. __________________ Ted ________________________ Owner & Sole Operator Of The Muddy Bucket Farm and Tomato Ranch

June 22, 2016	#5
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	I have grown Bulgarian Old Sort since Freddy used to be a member here and he's from the UK,but spent summers in Bulgaria and sent this one and several others to both Tania and myself. I was not impressed. http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/B...d_Sort_No_Name Large red beefsteaks that I prefer might include the following,and will always be faves for me. Neves Azorean Red Chapman Couilles de Taureau Ashleigh Red Penna Red Barn Istra, from Slovenia Primorski Pacug, ditto .....to name just a few. And can prioritize them if you would like me to do that. Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

June 22, 2016	#13
Barbee Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 1,818	Lescana is one of my favorites __________________ *Barbee*

June 22, 2016	#3
Tormato Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MA Posts: 4,971	In my garden, I can count high flavor red beefsteaks on one hand. Roughly 95% of red beefsteak varieties I trial are duds. Shuntukski Velican and Neves Azorean Red are the two standout varieties. I'm also working on selecting a great tasting PL red beefsteak from Granny's Heart. Gary

June 22, 2016	#6
Cole_Robbie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Illinois, zone 6 Posts: 8,407	Big Beef is my flavor control, because I think it is the best-tasting hybrid. If an OP variety doesn't taste better than Big Beef, there's no point to me in growing it. The seeds I got from AKMark, what he calls "Mat-Su" express have blown away everything else I have tried so far this year in regard to flavor. I had some cat-facing, but cat-facing was bad on all my varieties due to cold spring weather.

June 22, 2016	#7
Gardenboy Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 784	By far the best red for me last season was Aker's West Virginia. Very solid tomato close to a pound and juicy. With that old fashioned tomato taste. Will be growing several of this varieties this season in Aug.

June 23, 2016	#12
MarlynnMarcks Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Port St Lucie, Florida Posts: 180	Good to see you back and posting again. Yes, would like you to prioritize.

June 22, 2016	#14
BigVanVader Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Greenville, South Carolina Posts: 3,099	Goid to hear and I'd be willing to do a small grow out when you get close. Everything your family has bred that I've grown has been outstanding.