The amazing Tim's Black Ruffles

[drew51]

I have not tasted this tomato yet. First year growing and I got a late start in this cold place called Michigan. But the resistance to foliage diseases is worth pointing out. It's a typical year here where the leaf spots and otherleaf fungi take the bottom leaves.

Here is Stump The World. Notice the bottom foliage has been removed to try and slow leaf diseases.


Again with Black From Tula


Now here is Tim's Black Ruffles, loaded with Tomatoes too. I'll report on taste when ripe.

[drew51]

Quite striking isn't it? This plant all in containers is between the other two with Stump on the left, and Tula on the right. I'll save seed and if anybody wants any just PM me. You may want to see the tomatoes and taste report first. That will come with time.
Sorry I have not been around much the last couple years, but I'm still here, and hope I can pay forward a little with seed from this amazing (at least so far) plant. So far a super win on disease resistance. And a win on productivity too.

Here are some shots I made on 2017 07 13

Left side, 2 fruit clusters


Right side 2 fruit clusters visible, may be more under all that foliage!

[imp]

Glad to see you posting, drew. Plants look really good, lush! Hope the taste is also good.

[Sun City Linda]

Hi Drew Its good to hear from you again. GREAT looking plant. I'll be watching

[drew51]

Hey Linda! I may not post much, but still will always be here. One of the best sites on the web. I grow everything, still tomatoes are special, fun to grow, I'll never stop.
Just for more info on this variety, TBR is a cross between Black Krim, and Zapotec. So it probably will do well in high heat areas too. Zapotec being a Mexican Indian heirloom. Although it's doing great in this mild climate too!

The Zapotec civilization was an indigenous pre-Columbian civilization that flourished in the Valley of Oaxaca in Mesoamerica. Archaeological evidence shows that their culture goes back at least 2,500 years.

Zapotec has to be one of the oldest heirlooms in existence.

[carolyn137]

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki..._Black_Ruffles

I have to admit that whenever I see Lisa at Amishland involved I,well, get worred/am concerned,what words might be better?

Carolyn

[drew51]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki..._Black_Ruffles

I have to admit that whenever I see Lisa at Amishland involved I,well, get worred/am concerned,what words might be better?

Carolyn

Diane's Seeds sells it. An awesome excellent site.
All kinds of articles on flowers, beneficial insects, good companion plants. Not your average seller.
http://www.dianeseeds.com/tomato-tim...k-ruffles.html

I'm just happy to find a disease resistant tomato. The tomato speaks for itself. It's a keeper so far. Hopefully it has a decent taste. taste is described as smokey-sweet, sounds perfect to me. If not I may consider using it in a cross with this resistance is very special for my area. At the least I have something to work with. I have been getting into breeding, not just tomatoes, but raspberries and blackberries, and stone fruit too. Grafting scion to check fruit quality of new crosses. I'm having a blast! I developed a pink raspberry. Trying to bring eastern hardiness to the tasty western blackberry. I like working with red fleshed peaches to develop cultivars that ripen at different times. I just like the red fleshed peaches and nectarines a lot. I have three seedlings this year to evaluate. Arctic Glo x Indian Free cross. Thomas Jeffereson grew Indian Free. An heirloom cultivar. Has resistance to peach leaf curl.
I have many projects and ideas.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by drew51

Diane's Seeds sells it. An awesome excellent site.
All kinds of articles on flowers, beneficial insects, good companion plants. Not your average seller.
http://www.dianeseeds.com/tomato-tim...k-ruffles.html

I'm just happy to find a disease resistant tomato. The tomato speaks for itself. It's a keeper so far. Hopefully it has a decent taste. If not I may consider using it in a cross with this resistance is very special for my area. At the least I have something to work with. I have been getting into breeding, not just tomatoes, but raspberries and blackberries, and stone fruit too. Grafting scion to check fruit quality of new crosses. I'm having a blast! I developed a pink raspberry. Trying to bring eastern hardiness to the tasty western blackberry. I like working with red fleshed peaches to develop cultivars that ripen at different times. I just like the red fleshed peaches and nectarines a lot. I have three seedlings this year to evaluate. Arctic Glo x Indian Free cross. Thomas Jeffereson grew Indian Free. An heirloom cultivar. Has resistance to peach leaf curl.
I have many projects and ideas.

I know Dianes well and think it's an excellent place and please consider where she might get her varieties from as well..

I was looking at the history with Tania's link where it was said

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki..._Black_Ruffles

Tim, a friend of Lisa's at Amishland.

Carolyn

[drew51]

Right but I won't condemn Tim, or Diane over the actions of others, just not in me to do so. Even if they are friends.
It was Tim who offered it to Seed Savers. Lisa didn't breed it Tim did. I'm sure he is very proud of it, and he should be.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by drew51

Right but I won't condemn Tim, or Diane over the actions of others, just not in me to do so. Even if they are friends.
It was Tim who offered it to Seed Savers. Lisa didn't breed it Tim did. I'm sure he is very proud of it, and he should be.

I wasn't trying to actually condemn anyone.Corrrect,Lisa didn't breed it she just said she had been asked to stabilize that cross.

What happened when Tim offered it to SSE, that interests me a lot since I know of others who directly sent sees and no thanks,nothing.

One that I remember so very well was

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/G...Red_Strawberry

Marjorie had sent seeds directly, nothing happned so she asked me if she could send me seeds and then list it after my seed production,which I did.

Marjorie also sent me seeds for Orange Strawberry

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Orange_Strawberry

But some wonderful person though that Orange Strawberry was an orange version of German Red Strawberry and renamed it German Orange Strawberry,sad to say and last I checked some places were still selling seeds for German Orange Strawberry..

Carolyn

[Worth1]

The Zapotec civilization may have been wiped out but the people are still there along with the food.

Worth

[Worth1]

I would also like to remind people that Mexico is not a scoring desert like people think it is.
Mexico City is wonderful this time of year.
Just because a tomato comes from Mexico does NOT mean it is heat tolerant.

[gorbelly]

Originally Posted by Worth1

I would also like to remind people that Mexico is not a scoring desert like people think it is.
Mexico City is wonderful this time of year.
Just because a tomato comes from Mexico does NOT mean it is heat tolerant.

That's right. Mexico is a big country with varied terrain and climates. But the hotter parts of it don't get much hotter than where I am in PA in the summer. Many areas are very moderate, with average highs barely reaching 80F. That's basically perfect tomato temps.

Winters, of course, are generally very mild except maybe in higher altitudes.

[drew51]

Originally Posted by Worth1

I would also like to remind people that Mexico is not a scoring desert like people think it is.
Mexico City is wonderful this time of year.
Just because a tomato comes from Mexico does NOT mean it is heat tolerant.

Reports I have seen say it doesn't do that well unless you have heat. An example as stated on the "You Grow Girl" blog, link that was just posted. One report doesn't make it true though. I have seen other too.

[gorbelly]

Originally Posted by drew51

Reports I have seen say it doesn't do that well unless you have heat. An example as stated on the "You Grow Girl" blog, link that was just posted. One report doesn't make it true though. I have seen other too.

Keep in mind she's gardening in Toronto, so "heat" is relative.