Early determinate tomatoes for the South

BigVanVader · January 9, 2018

That actually taste like something. Ok annnnd go!

Tracydr · January 10, 2018

How about Black Krim,Lime Green Salad tomato. Marglobe is good,too.
I may do a few dwarfs or determinates in pots early and wrap some row cover or net over them to help with stink bugs and leaf footed bugs. That’s been my biggest issue since we moved here is the bugs,especially once it starts to get hot.
Maybe I just need to get my tomatoes done early like I did in AZ and make room for the melons/ hot weather stuff?

BigVanVader · January 10, 2018

That's my goal. I find it's better to start early, plant early, and short season stuff does best. Succession is also key. This year I'm going to do 50% determinates to avoid bugs and have more production early. I could just grow Mountain Fresh and the like, but I was hoping to find a less firm and tasty variety. Black Krim didn't seem to like the heat here. Marglobe production was minimal. Haven't tried LGS.

ginger2778 · January 10, 2018

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Originally Posted by BigVanVader

That's my goal. I find it's better to start early, plant early, and short season stuff does best. Succession is also key. This year I'm going to do 50% determinates to avoid bugs and have more production early. I could just grow Mountain Fresh and the like, but I was hoping to find a less firm and tasty variety. Black Krim didn't seem to like the heat here. Marglobe production was minimal. Haven't tried LGS.

I wonder if Momotaro is early. I've never grown it but everyone who grows it says they love the taste and it's almost bulletproof because it's got that hybrid vigor.
Meanwhile you are correct you do need my Not Chocolate Stripes. That one is going to be a big seller.
Unfortunately it is an indeterminate but it does produce a lot of tomatoes and early. And you can save seeds.

BigVanVader · January 10, 2018

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Originally Posted by ginger2778

I wonder if Momotaro is early. I've never grown it but everyone who grows it says they love the taste and it's almost bulletproof because it's got that hybrid vigor.
Meanwhile you are correct you do need my Not Chocolate Stripes. That one is going to be a big seller.
Unfortunately it is an indeterminate but it does produce a lot of tomatoes and early. And you can save seeds.

Funny you mention that Marsha as I am going to try Momotaro as my pink slicer this year. I just cant get consistent production with non-hybrids. NCS sounds perfect, I don't mind indet. I just need more production and tbh it is getting to be to much work to spray 100 indet heirlooms every other day her in summer.

Looking at more det reds it looks like Amelia is a good one here (recommended by UGA/Clemson) but is mid season. I'm also looking at several here

https://www.adaptiveseeds.com/seeds/...ly-season-red/

but them being in Oregon worries me b/c cold weather Indet. tomatoes do terribly here. It may not matter for an early det. though, I just don't know.

natural · January 10, 2018

Since you requested determinate, Taxi is a good yellow. I'm sure you have grown it, but thought I would mention it. I used to grow Daybreak (red -large, 65 days fantastic flavor) and OrangeBlossom from Johnnysseeds. Breeder discontinued Daybreak, but maybe you can find it. Orange Blossom appears to be replaced by BHN-871, which is later and larger. I wonder if you can still find OrangeBlossom.

Not sure about the fruit size you require, but the project dwarfs Pink Passion and Golden Heart are very early and produce very well for dwarfs. It appears that Dwarf Arctic Rose has good fruit size and great production but have not grown that one.

Bill

Cole_Robbie · January 10, 2018

Maglia Rosa, Cole, and Sol Guld (I was misspelling that sol gold for a while) have all been good to me. I have an early red saladette called Aura that I like, and another early red called Agatha. I think both have Soviet origins.

Mat-Su Express is just as early as most of my determinates. I also like Babushkin Potseluy. It reminds me of a yellow Mat-Su. 100 Pudov is another early variety that was a good market tomato for me. It has a unique wrinkled shoulder look.

Someone on here shared a variety they call Taos Trail with me. It shows a lot of promise as an all-purpose red tomato for market. It was fairly compact, can't remember if it was determinate or not. The flavor was as good as Big Beef and the yield was excellent.

And yes, I have seeds if anyone wants some. Be advised, I also have soil disease. I don't seem to have it in my seeds, though. They are processed in Oxy Clean, and I sell and give away a couple thousand plants every spring, all to good reviews.

BigVanVader · January 11, 2018

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Originally Posted by natural

Since you requested determinate, Taxi is a good yellow. I'm sure you have grown it, but thought I would mention it. I used to grow Daybreak (red -large, 65 days fantastic flavor) and OrangeBlossom from Johnnysseeds. Breeder discontinued Daybreak, but maybe you can find it. Orange Blossom appears to be replaced by BHN-871, which is later and larger. I wonder if you can still find OrangeBlossom.

Not sure about the fruit size you require, but the project dwarfs Pink Passion and Golden Heart are very early and produce very well for dwarfs. It appears that Dwarf Arctic Rose has good fruit size and great production but have not grown that one.

Bill

Thanks Bill, Yeah I've grown Taxi for 3 years now but looking for something that taste more...exciting. Going to try a variety called Native Sun this year. I will look around for Daybreak and Orange Blossom I actually found. It has been dehybridized and renamed. https://www.adaptiveseeds.com/produc...-glad-organic/
I will look at the dwarfs mentioned. I grew Arctic Rose last year and wasnt impressed, but I only had 1 plant so the jury is still out. I'm also growing Big Hill a bi-color det that Joseph Lofthouse bred. Now that I think about it I should have bought all of his det varieties.

Bill I wanted to add that I see you grow over 250 varieties of tomatoes (which is amazing!) and your only 3 hours from me, and I assume you have that red Georgia clay like me, so I'd be very interested to hear which heirlooms are your best sellers/producers, and really just glean any wisdom from you that you care to share. Especially your growing practices. Thanks for the trade and all the rest!

salix · January 16, 2018

Hi John - I may have been the one to share Taos Trail with you. It is in fact determinate. I got it from Val McMurray back in '09. I also have seeds for Taos Trail 1, same description: large round red, determinate. That one may have been something they were working on...

Cole_Robbie · January 16, 2018

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Hi John - I may have been the one to share Taos Trail with you. It is in fact determinate. I got it from Val McMurray back in '09. I also have seeds for Taos Trail 1, same description: large round red, determinate. That one may have been something they were working on...

Thank you. I tend to have a hard time remembering my seed sources. Taos Trail seems like a real workhorse of a variety. I think it has potential, especially in a market garden.

ABlindHog · March 23, 2018

I had very good production from a determinate called Red Rocket a couple of years ago. It was the earliest in my fall garden that year and the taste was comparable to Break O' Day. Got the seed from Tomato Growers Supply. I went back to Break O' Day to string out production a little bit but Red Rocket is worth a trial.

Gardeneer · March 23, 2018

I have grown Silvery Fir Tree for years and i am growing it again. It has always been my earliest.
It is very very compact. I always grow it in 4-5 gallon container.
But the fruits are tangy. But that is fine insalads , cooking. It is also very productive. Plus, its carrot leaves are ornamental.

edweather · March 23, 2018

How about Rutgers? I actually bought one this year to get a jump on the season here in hot humid southeast GA. Golf ball sized green ones at this point, and it will hopefully be done by June 1. I love 'em.

Gardeneer · March 26, 2018

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Originally Posted by edweather

How about Rutgers? I actually bought one this year to get a jump on the season here in hot humid southeast GA. Golf ball sized green ones at this point, and it will hopefully be done by June 1. I love 'em.

Ed you have golf ball tomatoes, already ? If that is the case you should get ripe one by the end of April or early May , at the lates

edweather · April 6, 2018

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Ed you have golf ball tomatoes, already ? If that is the case you should get ripe one by the end of April or early May , at the lates

Hopefully you are right. I was thinking a full 60 days or so from fruit set, but probably a bit faster down here. An April tomato would be awesome. Had one last year, but it was a Stupice, and they are very early. Thanks, Ed

January 9, 2018	#1
BigVanVader Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Greenville, South Carolina Posts: 3,099	Early determinate tomatoes for the South That actually taste like something. Ok annnnd go!

January 16, 2018	#9
salix Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: north central B.C. Posts: 2,310	Hi John - I may have been the one to share Taos Trail with you. It is in fact determinate. I got it from Val McMurray back in '09. I also have seeds for Taos Trail 1, same description: large round red, determinate. That one may have been something they were working on... __________________ "He who has a library and a garden wants for nothing." -Cicero

March 23, 2018	#12
Gardeneer Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: NC - zone 8a - heat zone 7 Posts: 4,919	I have grown Silvery Fir Tree for years and i am growing it again. It has always been my earliest. It is very very compact. I always grow it in 4-5 gallon container. But the fruits are tangy. But that is fine insalads , cooking. It is also very productive. Plus, its carrot leaves are ornamental. __________________ Gardeneer Happy Gardening !

March 23, 2018	#13
edweather Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Southeast GA, USDA 9a, HZ9, Sunset Z28 Posts: 396	How about Rutgers? I actually bought one this year to get a jump on the season here in hot humid southeast GA. Golf ball sized green ones at this point, and it will hopefully be done by June 1. I love 'em. __________________ You'll be surprised what you'll never have to do, if you put it off long enough.

January 10, 2018	#2
Tracydr Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2011 Location: Laurinburg, North Carolina, zone 7 Posts: 3,207	How about Black Krim,Lime Green Salad tomato. Marglobe is good,too. I may do a few dwarfs or determinates in pots early and wrap some row cover or net over them to help with stink bugs and leaf footed bugs. That’s been my biggest issue since we moved here is the bugs,especially once it starts to get hot. Maybe I just need to get my tomatoes done early like I did in AZ and make room for the melons/ hot weather stuff?

January 10, 2018	#6
natural Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North GA Posts: 530	Since you requested determinate, Taxi is a good yellow. I'm sure you have grown it, but thought I would mention it. I used to grow Daybreak (red -large, 65 days fantastic flavor) and OrangeBlossom from Johnnysseeds. Breeder discontinued Daybreak, but maybe you can find it. Orange Blossom appears to be replaced by BHN-871, which is later and larger. I wonder if you can still find OrangeBlossom. Not sure about the fruit size you require, but the project dwarfs Pink Passion and Golden Heart are very early and produce very well for dwarfs. It appears that Dwarf Arctic Rose has good fruit size and great production but have not grown that one. Bill

January 10, 2018	#7
Cole_Robbie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Illinois, zone 6 Posts: 8,407	Maglia Rosa, Cole, and Sol Guld (I was misspelling that sol gold for a while) have all been good to me. I have an early red saladette called Aura that I like, and another early red called Agatha. I think both have Soviet origins. Mat-Su Express is just as early as most of my determinates. I also like Babushkin Potseluy. It reminds me of a yellow Mat-Su. 100 Pudov is another early variety that was a good market tomato for me. It has a unique wrinkled shoulder look. Someone on here shared a variety they call Taos Trail with me. It shows a lot of promise as an all-purpose red tomato for market. It was fairly compact, can't remember if it was determinate or not. The flavor was as good as Big Beef and the yield was excellent. And yes, I have seeds if anyone wants some. Be advised, I also have soil disease. I don't seem to have it in my seeds, though. They are processed in Oxy Clean, and I sell and give away a couple thousand plants every spring, all to good reviews.

March 23, 2018	#11
ABlindHog Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2014 Location: The Texas Hill Country Posts: 149	I had very good production from a determinate called Red Rocket a couple of years ago. It was the earliest in my fall garden that year and the taste was comparable to Break O' Day. Got the seed from Tomato Growers Supply. I went back to Break O' Day to string out production a little bit but Red Rocket is worth a trial.