Dwarf Mr Snow

[pmcgrady]

Planted 3 cells with 2 seeds each, thinned to 1 per cell...
2 PL's, 1 RL...
My mystery tomato of 2018...

[jmsieglaff]

Do they all look dwarf?

[pmcgrady]

Originally Posted by jmsieglaff

Do they all look dwarf?

Yes they all look dwarf, I'll get a pic tomorrow. Seeds from the MMMM swap.

[sirtanon]

Where did the seeds come from? If you're getting some PL and some RL, either it's a 2nd gen cross with an RL, a 1st (or maybe later) gen cross with a hetero PL/RL cross, or you have some stray seed in there.

[nctomatoman]

First question (as noted above) - seed source for sure.

Second - if is a regular leaf dwarf, then there are three possibilities....stray seed of another dwarf variety that has RL foliage, an F1 hybrid between Mr Snow and a regular leaf dwarf - the third possibility is the most remote. Once the PL trait is established in a family when there is both RL and PL in the original cross, you generally always get PL. So if it is just a bit of remaining segregation, it is quite unusual.

[Greatgardens]

Are you going to grow it out? If you have room, it's interesting and may help solve the mystery.

[pmcgrady]

1st pic left to right, 1st row Hardin's Miniature (zero germination),2nd row Tastiwine Dwarf,
3rd row Dwarf Mr. Snow.



2nd pic, better view of the 3 Dwarf Mr. Snow




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[sirtanon]

My vote here is for a stray seed.. but I won't completely rule out a cross.

I say this because not only is the leaf shape very different, but at least to my eyes, the leaf color looks a little different as well. If those were mine, I'd plant them all and relish in the mystery.

On a positive note, those plants all look strong and healthy.

Keep us informed of what you get from that one.

[pmcgrady]

Yeah, I'm thinking a stray seed also. This is my first year growing dwarfs, I have a small garden at my cabin and am going to plant only dwarfs there this year... Should be interesting!

[ginger2778]

Stray seed from where? It certainly didn't come from the Tastywines. Are the Hardins RL? Stray seed from the person who packed the seeds? Could be. Personally, I would sow all the rest of the Mr. Snows, and see if you get any more RL.No seeds left? Oh well.
BTW- there does not seem to be any rugose leafing on the regular leafed one. Not sure, not convinced that is, that it's a dwarf. At least not from what I can tell in this photo anyway.

[Nan_PA_6b]

Hardin's is RL. Grows to 12" and has an oval fruit with a point on it.

My guess is that one or more seeds of the DMS got cross-polllinated.

Nan

[ginger2778]

Originally Posted by Nan_PA_6b

Hardin's is RL. Grows to 12" and has an oval fruit with a point on it.

My guess is that one or more seeds of the DMS got cross-polllinated.

Nan

It would be funny if that was the only hardin's to germinate wouldn't it?
If it got cross-pollinated it would have to be an F2, because if it got cross-pollinated, then with an F1 you wouldn't get any Dwarfs, unless it was a dwarf cross-pollinated with, and you wouldn't get any potato leafed only regular leaf leafed, and it would be really odd to have all three of your plants be dwarfs an F2, since that is a recessive trait and only 1/4 of them on average would show up the recessive trait.
Also the likelihood of having an F2 we're only 1/4 of them should show the recessive traits having both dwarfs being potato leaf and dwarf would be very very very high odds of it happening, those odds would be one in 16 for one, and one in 64 for both

[pmcgrady]

I'm pretty sure it's not a stray seed from me, when I plant I only open one seed pack at a time.
The reason I think it's a dwarf is the RL plant is shorter than the PL's and both are on their second stage of true leaves. I know nothing about dwarves though as these are the first I've grown. I think I have 3-4 more seeds, I may plant those also.

[Nan_PA_6b]

Marsha, what if the middle one is the only seed in the tomato that got cross-pollinated? If it was pollinated by a dwarf or a micro, it'd be that short. It could be F1 and the others would be what they're supposed to be.

(The oddball does look just like a Hardin's Mini...)
Nan

[ginger2778]

Originally Posted by Nan_PA_6b

Marsha, what if the middle one is the only seed in the tomato that got cross-pollinated? If it was pollinated by a dwarf or a micro, it'd be that short. It could be F1 and the others would be what they're supposed to be.

(The oddball does look just like a Hardin's Mini...)
Nan

Nan, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the astronomical odds of only 1 seed out of an entire tomato getting 1) cross pollinated and 2) that being the seed chosen and sown. Just the amount of pollen getting on a bee's legs, and only 1 grain touching the mother stigma? That is virtually almost not even possible. Having trouble accepting that.
Stray seed much more likely.