Victory Tomato -Russian,Opinions please.

michael johnson · April 15, 2007

All those people who were lucky enough to get some (Victory ) tomato seeds from me this last season and are now growing them, I would love to know what your opinions of them are at the moment, as it is a wonderfull variety that originaly comes from an Island off the coast of Russia, and is quite different to the one offered by Victory seeds, and other old english greenhouse versions,

The plants in question are usually semi-determinate and grow to about four foot high, and usually are loaded with good average size tomatoes up to about a pound in weight, but most are about eight to twelve ounces each, very tasty and a very good producer.

My seeds originaly came from (seeds of Kokopelli) then called (terre -de -semences) or something like that- I got them about ten years ago, and saved the seeds all that time, (Kokopelli -seems to be out of stock of any Victory seeds at the moment) so it seems to be quite scarce other than the ones that I saved.

It is a very good and reliable tomato- with somewhat suprising production rate, and well worth hanging onto as a variety.

some of you must have half grown plants of it by now- so I was just wondering -so far what your opinion of it is.

Andrey_BY · April 15, 2007

Michael, what is the name of this Russian tomato variety? And what is the Russian island you meant? Af far as I know all Russian islands located in the North or Far East (near Japan)

I've never heard from any Russian tomato variety from these regions...

**carolyn137** · April 15, 2007

The variety Victory is listed in the SSE Yearbooks by Ake from Sweden as an 80gm very small red.

Are you saying that Victory Seeds is also offering the variety Victory and it isn't about an 80 gm red?

Ake doesn't ID it as being Russian in origin but then his listings are very brief.

Does Mike at Victory Seeds ID it as being Russian?

I'm just trying to get this straight in me wee head.

michael johnson · April 16, 2007

It originaly came from (Sakhaline Island) somewhere off the coast of Russia up north a bit.

Wonderfull tomato.

missionrandy · April 22, 2007

Hi Michael,

MARITIME PINK - Indeterminate - 69 days – Pink. Deep rose pink fruits weigh 5-7 oz. Good flavor. From Sakhalin Island, Siberia.

Cheers,
Randy

michael johnson · April 23, 2007

Maritime Pink- that sounds a good one-I shall have to try to get a few seeds and try that one- thanks for the info.

dokutaaguriin · April 16, 2007

Impressive tomato if it came from Sakhalin- given its climate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakhalin
Sakhalin is directly north of Hokkaido, Japan. My father in-law was born on the island during the Japanese occupation of it and left towards the end of WWII.
If it is possible Michael, I would love to get some seeds from you. (trade?)
Thanks, Jeff

**carolyn137** · April 16, 2007

Michael, I've jsut cut and pasted what's below from my post above b'c I'm still trying to understand what your Victory variety is and you haven't yet answered any of my questions.

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The variety Victory is listed in the SSE Yearbooks by Ake from Sweden as an 80gm very small red.

Are you saying that Victory Seeds is also offering the variety Victory and it isn't about an 80 gm red?

Ake doesn't ID it as being Russian in origin but then his listings are very brief.

Does Mike at Victory Seeds ID it as being Russian?

I'm just trying to get this straight in me wee head.:smile:

michael johnson · April 17, 2007

Sorry Carolyn, I got carried away on other things.

As far as I know-this particular variety of (Victory) was first developed on Sakahaline Island off the coast of Russia years ago,
It was then taken up as a variety by the then Terre-de - semences seed company about ten years ago or more-(Now seeds of Kokopelli) and sold by them, currently they list it as out of stock now, ???

The plant in question is semi determinate and grows about four feet high- very productive of red tomatoes that average from eight to twelve ounces each,but some reach a pound or more- really nice flavour, and the plants are almost trouble free throughout the season, you can either side shoot them or just let them sprawl-either way the produce a good crop,

Having studied the swedish version,and as far as I can tell from what little info was available-theirs didnt come from (Sakahaline Island ) and the one by Victory seeds,also some mention of an old english greenhouse version etc, It doesnt appear to be like any of those in form or growth pattern, but the mere fact that it originated fron (Sakahaline Island seems to set it apart from all the others- which Andrey said he knew of the Island sometime last year-somewhere up towards siberia or in that area somewhere.

As far as research goes re- Sakahaline Island, it appears that there is some activity on there towards tomato breeding several different varieties by some Russian Compant at the time more than ten years ago, I am not sure if that is still going on.

New seasons seed will be available at the end of august to anyone of TV members who fancies having a try with it,

I might even offer some to (Seeds-of Kokopelli) to replenish their stock

Andrey_BY · April 17, 2007

Sakhalin is a large island in the Far East of Russia near Japan, that's true. But I have a doubt this tomato is from there. There is also a Belarusian tomato variety called Peramoga 165 (aka Peremoga or Peramoga). Its name can be translated as Victory and this number is a standard number in Soviet naming system of varieties.

It is widely adapted here in former USSR countries and well-known abroad as well. Can be the same as Ake and me are distrubuting. Semi-determinate and bears middle size red fruits 80-150 g... Good oldfashion flavor...

michael johnson · April 18, 2007

Thanks Andrey- the actual heritage of this tomato still will remain a mystery I expect, but its a good un' and I wondered how several people whom I sent seed to last season are getting on with it and finding it as a plant.

Did you sow the Stick-seeds as yet, and are they true to form-wierd plants.

Andrey_BY · April 18, 2007

Michael, germination rate of the Stick was no so high, but I'll grow about 5-6 plants this year for sure. Yes, most are true to the type of the foliage with only one exception with regular leafes...

dice · April 19, 2007

Would you guess that your Peremoga (and/or the
Victory cultivar) is the same as the one pictured at

http://www.ghorganics.com/Peremoga.htm

?

(I have one sprouted. Healthy little seedling so far.)

Andrey_BY · April 19, 2007

Looks like it is a real Peramoga 165, but it should be mentioned as semi-determinate and from Belarus (or former USSR). They've just bought its seeds from that Estonian e-seed shop which import them from Russia and other CIS countries. Actually there are only few really Estonian tomato varieties exists

michael johnson · April 20, 2007

Nope- its not that one, as the fruit form is a little different to that- simular but slightly different shape and colour.

April 15, 2007	#1
michael johnson Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK. Posts: 960	Victory Tomato -Russian,Opinions please. All those people who were lucky enough to get some (Victory ) tomato seeds from me this last season and are now growing them, I would love to know what your opinions of them are at the moment, as it is a wonderfull variety that originaly comes from an Island off the coast of Russia, and is quite different to the one offered by Victory seeds, and other old english greenhouse versions, The plants in question are usually semi-determinate and grow to about four foot high, and usually are loaded with good average size tomatoes up to about a pound in weight, but most are about eight to twelve ounces each, very tasty and a very good producer. My seeds originaly came from (seeds of Kokopelli) then called (terre -de -semences) or something like that- I got them about ten years ago, and saved the seeds all that time, (Kokopelli -seems to be out of stock of any Victory seeds at the moment) so it seems to be quite scarce other than the ones that I saved. It is a very good and reliable tomato- with somewhat suprising production rate, and well worth hanging onto as a variety. some of you must have half grown plants of it by now- so I was just wondering -so far what your opinion of it is.

April 15, 2007	#2
Andrey_BY Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Minsk, Belarus, Eastern Europe (Zone 4a) Posts: 2,278	Michael, what is the name of this Russian tomato variety? And what is the Russian island you meant? Af far as I know all Russian islands located in the North or Far East (near Japan) I've never heard from any Russian tomato variety from these regions... __________________ 1 kg=2.2 lb , 1 m=39,37 in , 1 oz=28.35 g , 1 ft=30.48 cm , 1 lb= 0,4536 kg , 1 in=2.54 cm , 1 l = 0.26 gallon , 0 C=32 F Andrey a.k.a. TOMATODOR

April 15, 2007	#3
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	The variety Victory is listed in the SSE Yearbooks by Ake from Sweden as an 80gm very small red. Are you saying that Victory Seeds is also offering the variety Victory and it isn't about an 80 gm red? Ake doesn't ID it as being Russian in origin but then his listings are very brief. Does Mike at Victory Seeds ID it as being Russian? I'm just trying to get this straight in me wee head. __________________ Carolyn

April 22, 2007	#5
missionrandy Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Fraser Valley, BC, Canada Posts: 272	Hi Michael, MARITIME PINK - Indeterminate - 69 days – Pink. Deep rose pink fruits weigh 5-7 oz. Good flavor. From Sakhalin Island, Siberia. Cheers, Randy __________________ Grow your own! Tomatoes that is...

April 16, 2007	#8
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Michael, I've jsut cut and pasted what's below from my post above b'c I'm still trying to understand what your Victory variety is and you haven't yet answered any of my questions. ****** The variety Victory is listed in the SSE Yearbooks by Ake from Sweden as an 80gm very small red. Are you saying that Victory Seeds is also offering the variety Victory and it isn't about an 80 gm red? Ake doesn't ID it as being Russian in origin but then his listings are very brief. Does Mike at Victory Seeds ID it as being Russian? I'm just trying to get this straight in me wee head.:smile: __________________ Carolyn

April 23, 2007	#6
michael johnson Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK. Posts: 960	Maritime Pink- that sounds a good one-I shall have to try to get a few seeds and try that one- thanks for the info.

April 16, 2007	#7
dokutaaguriin Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Alberta, Canada Z3a Posts: 905	Impressive tomato if it came from Sakhalin- given its climate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakhalin Sakhalin is directly north of Hokkaido, Japan. My father in-law was born on the island during the Japanese occupation of it and left towards the end of WWII. If it is possible Michael, I would love to get some seeds from you. (trade?) Thanks, Jeff

April 17, 2007	#9
michael johnson Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK. Posts: 960	Sorry Carolyn, I got carried away on other things. As far as I know-this particular variety of (Victory) was first developed on Sakahaline Island off the coast of Russia years ago, It was then taken up as a variety by the then Terre-de - semences seed company about ten years ago or more-(Now seeds of Kokopelli) and sold by them, currently they list it as out of stock now, ??? The plant in question is semi determinate and grows about four feet high- very productive of red tomatoes that average from eight to twelve ounces each,but some reach a pound or more- really nice flavour, and the plants are almost trouble free throughout the season, you can either side shoot them or just let them sprawl-either way the produce a good crop, Having studied the swedish version,and as far as I can tell from what little info was available-theirs didnt come from (Sakahaline Island ) and the one by Victory seeds,also some mention of an old english greenhouse version etc, It doesnt appear to be like any of those in form or growth pattern, but the mere fact that it originated fron (Sakahaline Island seems to set it apart from all the others- which Andrey said he knew of the Island sometime last year-somewhere up towards siberia or in that area somewhere. As far as research goes re- Sakahaline Island, it appears that there is some activity on there towards tomato breeding several different varieties by some Russian Compant at the time more than ten years ago, I am not sure if that is still going on. New seasons seed will be available at the end of august to anyone of TV members who fancies having a try with it, I might even offer some to (Seeds-of Kokopelli) to replenish their stock

April 18, 2007	#11
michael johnson Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK. Posts: 960	Thanks Andrey- the actual heritage of this tomato still will remain a mystery I expect, but its a good un' and I wondered how several people whom I sent seed to last season are getting on with it and finding it as a plant. Did you sow the Stick-seeds as yet, and are they true to form-wierd plants.

April 19, 2007	#13
dice Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PNW Posts: 4,743	Would you guess that your Peremoga (and/or the Victory cultivar) is the same as the one pictured at http://www.ghorganics.com/Peremoga.htm ? (I have one sprouted. Healthy little seedling so far.) __________________ -- alias

April 20, 2007	#15
michael johnson Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK. Posts: 960	Nope- its not that one, as the fruit form is a little different to that- simular but slightly different shape and colour.