Madera F1 (cherry)

Greatgardens · July 12, 2020

This is my first time growing Madera. When is it best picked and when does it have the best flavor?

Thanks.

Fred Hempel · July 12, 2020

Pick at brick-red to brown. It ripens very slowly if you pick earlier, but it hangs at brick-red brown for days without getting over ripe.

Greatgardens · July 16, 2020

Thanks. I am very pleased with Madera thus far. Very flavorful. Only a little splitting after a rain. Looks like it will be a "keeper."

Fred Hempel · July 17, 2020

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Originally Posted by Greatgardens

Thanks. I am very pleased with Madera thus far. Very flavorful. Only a little splitting after a rain. Looks like it will be a "keeper."

That's great!

Labradors2 · July 18, 2020

I was keeping a few Madeira F1 in a little bowl, with a view to ripening them well before tasting. I had to pick them early because of rain in the forecast. Hubby used them this morning in our cooked breakfast and they were very tasty cooked! Guess I'll have to wait some more before I can do a true taste test.......

Fred Hempel · July 23, 2020

Cooked? Interesting.

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Originally Posted by Labradors2

I was keeping a few Madeira F1 in a little bowl, with a view to ripening them well before tasting. I had to pick them early because of rain in the forecast. Hubby used them this morning in our cooked breakfast and they were very tasty cooked! Guess I'll have to wait some more before I can do a true taste test.......

Labradors2 · July 23, 2020

Oh yes. He grabs any kind of tomatoes to fry, along with our weekend bacon and egg

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Linda

Cole_Robbie · July 28, 2020

I can definitely see the hybrid vigor. I planted mine late and am just now starting to pick.

Greatgardens · August 24, 2020

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Originally Posted by Cole_Robbie

I can definitely see the hybrid vigor. I planted mine late and am just now starting to pick.

Seconded! Madera is a really vigorous plant. Best tolerance of Septoria for me this season. And tremendous yields! Imagine what it could do if I really took care of it.

I should add -- love the slightly crunchy texture and excellent shelf life.

Labradors2 · August 24, 2020

I'm loving Madeira F1 too. I stood in front of the bush the other day gorging myself on them. It's a very productive and healthy variety and even the slight crunchiness is no deterrent

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Linda

Banadoura · August 27, 2020

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Originally Posted by Labradors2

I'm loving Madeira F1 too. I stood in front of the bush the other day gorging myself on them. It's a very productive and healthy variety and even the slight crunchiness is no deterrent

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Linda

I second your experience Linda, Madera is definitely returning next year in my garden!

Fred Hempel · August 27, 2020

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Originally Posted by Banadoura

I second your experience Linda, Madera is definitely returning next year in my garden!

Remember folks. Madera is a hybrid. I can personally guarantee that it will segregate dramatically for multiple traits.

So, if you want the same Madera experience, you will have to buy F1 seed again.

Unless you saved some of the original F1 seed.

One final note: The extended shelf-life trait can not be dehybridized. Because it depends on one "rin" parent, and one normally ripening parent.

Nonetheless, dehybridation is perfectly fine with me. I have no problem with it at all.

Fusion_power · August 28, 2020

Have you considered using "alc" instead of "rin"? The shelf life is better.

Fred Hempel · August 28, 2020

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Originally Posted by Fusion_power

Have you considered using "alc" instead of "rin"? The shelf life is better.

I have not. Because rin seems to be giving more than enough shelf life, and I have been able to select for flavor in rin lines.

I am not ruling out that I may have some lines with weak alleles of alc, because I have some lines that have weaker increase in shelf life. But I am not consciously adding alc lines. Do you have any with great flavor?

Fred Hempel · August 30, 2020

My experience with rin is somewhat different. In trying to get "some" flavor in rin lines, we ended up developing a rin/rin hybrid with unique, but good flavor (if allowed extra time to ripen)

I should note that the initial rin crosses that I developed rin/rin lines from were done by Mark McCaslin who crosses a good flavored rin/+ variety to high flavor varieties. I have continued with the same approach.

I have also found that when I make crosses that produce a rin/+ hybrid, the F1 fruits can vary from quite firm to so soft that the rin seems to have no effect at all. In other words, there seem to be significant background effects. Of course I am working with rin almost exclusively in small fruited lines.

I do have some firm/long-shelf lines that are larger, but they do not have rin (as far as I know).

July 12, 2020	#1
Greatgardens Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,124	Madera F1 (cherry) This is my first time growing Madera. When is it best picked and when does it have the best flavor? Thanks.

July 12, 2020	#2
Fred Hempel Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Sunol, CA Posts: 2,723	Pick at brick-red to brown. It ripens very slowly if you pick earlier, but it hangs at brick-red brown for days without getting over ripe. __________________ Artisan Seeds -- www.growartisan.com

August 30, 2020	#15
Fred Hempel Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Sunol, CA Posts: 2,723	My experience with rin is somewhat different. In trying to get "some" flavor in rin lines, we ended up developing a rin/rin hybrid with unique, but good flavor (if allowed extra time to ripen) I should note that the initial rin crosses that I developed rin/rin lines from were done by Mark McCaslin who crosses a good flavored rin/+ variety to high flavor varieties. I have continued with the same approach. I have also found that when I make crosses that produce a rin/+ hybrid, the F1 fruits can vary from quite firm to so soft that the rin seems to have no effect at all. In other words, there seem to be significant background effects. Of course I am working with rin almost exclusively in small fruited lines. I do have some firm/long-shelf lines that are larger, but they do not have rin (as far as I know). __________________ Artisan Seeds -- www.growartisan.com

July 16, 2020	#3
Greatgardens Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,124	Thanks. I am very pleased with Madera thus far. Very flavorful. Only a little splitting after a rain. Looks like it will be a "keeper."

July 18, 2020	#5
Labradors2 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,896	I was keeping a few Madeira F1 in a little bowl, with a view to ripening them well before tasting. I had to pick them early because of rain in the forecast. Hubby used them this morning in our cooked breakfast and they were very tasty cooked! Guess I'll have to wait some more before I can do a true taste test.......

July 23, 2020	#7
Labradors2 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,896	Oh yes. He grabs any kind of tomatoes to fry, along with our weekend bacon and egg . Linda

July 28, 2020	#8
Cole_Robbie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Illinois, zone 6 Posts: 8,407	I can definitely see the hybrid vigor. I planted mine late and am just now starting to pick.

August 24, 2020	#10
Labradors2 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,896	I'm loving Madeira F1 too. I stood in front of the bush the other day gorging myself on them. It's a very productive and healthy variety and even the slight crunchiness is no deterrent . Linda

August 28, 2020	#13
Fusion_power Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,250	Have you considered using "alc" instead of "rin"? The shelf life is better.