Can Daconil be mixed with foliar feeding regimen?

[bryanccfshr]

After researching serenade I have decided the jury is still out on it's effectiveness9Much in the same league as compost teas as far as measurable results.

I usually spray my tomatoes often with foliar sprays of seaweed and sometimes I add Spinosad for chewing insect control.



I believe that foliar feeding has tangible observable benefits but I also know that as I continue to grow tomatoes in the same yard I will have to become proactive.

From a human hygiene point of view I am having no problem assessing Daconil as safe for me to use as well as not being harmful to the soil or wildlife. The Permethrin I use on fire ants is worse as is the many fungal spores I inhale when playing in my pile of rotten material (compost).


I am considering beginning a regimen of Daconil this year but I do not know how it will interact with my foliar feeding regimen. I would like to save a step and mix the Seaweed and the spinosad with the4 weekly Daconil applications.

Does anyone see any harm in this? Are any of these going to reduce the efficacy of the others?

[amideutch]

Bryan, have you checked out Actinovate. I was using it last year and applying when foliar feeding with molasses and also was adding it to my Microbe tea during the brewing process and then using that as a foliar feed as well. Had excellent results and no disease problems. Ami

[mdvpc]

Ami-ordered and received today Actinovate. I am going to use Yucca as a spreader/sticker with it. Using it on my greenhouse new tomatoes.

[amideutch]

Michael, sounds good. I just ordered my actinovate the other day also. Where did you order your Yucca extract from? Ami

[mdvpc]

Ami-from groworganic.com

Yucca Extract for Stress Aid, Spreader-Sticker and Irrigation Emitter Cleaner Our best spreader sticker. Totally natural irrigation and emitter cleaner that contains 70% concentrated yucca extract. Yucca extract not only makes sprays stick to crop foliage, it is also a great nutritional foliar in itself. Active ingredients are steroid saponins-complex sugar structures which help plants assimilate nutrients and develop stress resistance. When Therm X70 is applied to a stressed area, effects are noticeable immediately. Use 2-3 oz/acre or .25 tsp/gal per foliar application when Therm X70 is applied alone or in combination with other foliar materials. Product foams heavily and should be added last when being mixed in high agitation systems. Can also be sprayed on the soil as a soil penetrant and stress aid. Use at 16 oz per acre, once a year on good ground, twice a year on alkaline soil. For preventing algae buildup in drip lines, apply 2 oz/acre weekly.

http://www.groworganic.com/item_PSA0...act_Quart.html

[amideutch]

Michael, next time you order Yucca get it from this site. They have the food grade (no preservatives) and the normal grade (w/preservatives) and its about $10.00 cheaper. Ami
http://www.tandjenterprises.com/productslinks.htm

[feldon30]

Daconil really should be sprayed alone for maximum effectiveness. Carolyn has posted the advice she got "from horse's mouth" at Ortho about this.

Fortunately foliar feed gets absorbed quickly, so you could possibly spray it in the morning and then follow up with Daconil in the evening.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by feldon30

Daconil really should be sprayed alone for maximum effectiveness. Carolyn has posted the advice she got "from horse's mouth" at Ortho about this.

Fortunately foliar feed gets absorbed quickly, so you could possibly spray it in the morning and then follow up with Daconil in the evening.

I did, as Morgan said, call Ortho about mixing anything else with Daconil.

They didn't advise it b'c Daconil works by blocking the attachment sites where the pathogenic fungi specifically attach and if you add anything else to the Daconil it can non-specifically attach to those same sites and block the Daconil from attaching.

That being said, and I don't remember which Forum or thread here where I posted that,but I know that quite a few folks do add other stuff to the Daconil and say that it still works.

I tend to believe ortho's explanation and never mixed anything else with it after that.

What I see as the problem is that you don't know what the ionic charge is on any given molecular product, nor does one know the ionic charge on the leaf surface at any one time, so non-specific binding could certainly occur.

[bryanccfshr]

amideutch, Thank you for the Actinovate suggestion. I have been researching the product which seems to work by predation and crowding out of pathogenic organisms.
To be honest I was thinking about this last night and I started to become irritated with myself for being too willing a consumer. How many products do I realy need to buy to grow tomatoes? I grew tomatoes last year in a very wet year only using seaweed, molasses fish emulsion and spinosad. Alas it is still on the table.

Thank you Feldon, A morning application of foliar feeding and an evening of Daconil may work.

Carolyn, Thank you for the explanation. It makes perfect sense that any product mixed with Daconil would compete for leaf surface and could change the ionic charge of the spray solution.

I need to make a decision on my spray program in the next week.

[bryanccfshr]

Actinoate seems to fit better with my program.

APPLICATION DIRECTIONS:
Compatibility

Actinovate® SP is completely soluble and does not require agitation to keep
suspended in a solution. Actinovate® SP is compatible with chemical fungicides,
insecticides and fertilizers. If tank mixes are desired, observe all directions,
precautions and limitations on labeling of all products used. Actinovate® SP
can be tank mixed with all chemical fungicides, insecticides, and fertilizers
unless otherwise restricted. Avoid tank mixing with bactericides. Avoid applying
bactericides and soil fumigants to the areas treated with Actinovate® SP. Consult

manufacturer for compatibility questions.

[amideutch]

Bryan, The nice thing about it is it works at the root zone and also at the foliage level when applied as a foliar. Also a 2-oz package goes along way. Sprinkle in the hole when planting out your seedlings and later use as a foliar and it is totally compatible with mycorrizae if you choose to use it also. Ami

[bryanccfshr]

Thanks Ami,
I think the small packages are what have kept me from trying before but seeing how little is actually needed I am looking locally for a source. I have seeen it on a rack before but forget where.

[brog]

Ami Do you use AG or SP, and AT WHAT STAGES DO YOU USE IT. How much each time or times bill

[dice]

Seems like the most economical way to use
Actinovate SP for the roots would be to dust
the seeds with it. Then the bacteria should
grow right along with the roots as soon as
the seeds are wet.

[amideutch]

Brog, I used Actinovate SP. You can dust the seeds as dice suggested, or when you plant your seedlings lightly dust the root ball or the hole that you will be setting the plant in. I dusted the holes prior to setting my plants. I waited till my plants were established and growing before starting my spraying program with Actinovate and microbe tea with yucca extract and later using the actionvate with molasses and did it on a weekly basis. I would use about a 1/2 teaspoon per gallon which was more than enough to spray my 35 tomato plants. This year I'm going to dust my seeds with "Messinger Seed Treatment" and follow up with my Actiovate/tea molasses routine.
One of the cheapest places I found online to purchase Actinovate was Fifthseasongardening.com. Price was $19.95 for a 2oz package. Actinovate is manufactured by Natural Industries out of Houston, Texas. They have a hotline for questions at 888 261-4731. Ami