Kellogg's Breakfast and Persimmon---Grow Both?

COgarden · February 11, 2006

I'm close to my final list for this years mater patch. I'm wondering if there is enough difference between KB and Persimmon to warrant growing both in a garden with only 20 spots. KB is my favorite of all so far so it has a spot for sure. It was so good last year, I'm hoping it won't let me down this time around.

I love tomatoes with flavors leaning away from the sweet side. So, If you've grown both, or if you've grown Persimmon, what do you think? Grow 'em both or just Kelloggs Breakfast?

Kurt

**carolyn137** · February 11, 2006

I've grown both. I love Kellogg's Breakfast but am not that fond of the taste of Persimmon.

But all the folks in the world cannot tell you what Persimmon will taste like to you, b'c your mileage may vary from others.

So you can grow it and see how you like it and you can also consider some other oranges that might appeal to you b'c they aren't on the sweet side, as you said, and in that regard I'd suggest Tangella and Jaune Flammee as options.

The orange variety most grown before KB appeared was Amana Orange, but I think KB is far superior in taste.

Carolyn

COgarden · February 11, 2006

Carolyn, thanks for your input. It never fails. I come to a tomato forum (only Tomatoville these days) to narrow my choices, and I leave with even more than when I started. Its always good to have some other options of course.

Tastes certainly do vary. For example, we seem to agree on the taste of Kellogg's Breakfast and yet when it comes to flavor alone, my favorite mater is...Silvery Fir Tree!

Tangella and Jaune Flammee, perhaps I'm not finished ordering seed for the season after all!

Kurt

melody · February 11, 2006

I've grown both, and while both were good tomatoes,the KB is more to my taste too. I've grown it many times, but Persimmon only twice.

Jaune Flammee is more intense tasting than KB. It is a burst of Tomatoey essence in your mouth. It's on my top 5 list.

**carolyn137** · February 11, 2006

Kurt,

I forgot a really good orange one that I love, and it's not sweet per your comment about SFT, and that's Earl of Edgecombe.

Carolyn

lumierefrere · February 11, 2006

Is this Persimmon being discussed the same as the Russian Persimmon? Would that be Khurma?

Barb

**carolyn137** · February 11, 2006

No, Barb, Persimmon and Russian Persimmon are two different vareties with two different origins.

Off hand I don't know the name of Russian Persimmon in Russian.

Carolyn

lumierefrere · February 11, 2006

Has anyone grown this Russian Persimmon then? Andrey probably. Is it sweet or tart?

I don't even know why I'm asking, I can live without it--even if I do have seeds. ;-)

Barb

**carolyn137** · February 11, 2006

Barb, not having grown Russian Persimmon I can only go by the comments that SSE members state in their listings of it, for it's long been listed in the SSE Yearbook.

The summary comment would be; sweet and delicious.

Carolyn

lumierefrere · February 11, 2006

<stamping foot> Darn! That makes it sounds like I should grow it. I supposed I could crush it into my bicolor row....

PNW_D · February 11, 2006

Received seed for Khurma (Russian Persimmon) from Andrey. A most delicious tomato. Notes from my 2004 grow out indicate: looks just like a Persimmon, later than Golden Delight and much lower production, but taste was excellent, assertive. I would grow again. Not a big plant.

Here a picture (cropped, pre-digital) …..

lumierefrere · February 11, 2006

2 questions.

Would it fit into a container?

How did you get the photo to appear?

grungy · February 11, 2006

Having grown all 3 last year I personally (zone 6 with cool, damp weather last year) would rank them top to bottom in taste last year as Russian Persimmon, Kellogg's Breakfast, and lastly Persimmon. They are all good tomatoes with that
as I put it, anold fashioned tomato taste. Not too sweet but still a balance between acids and sugar. This however is a matter of taste.
And yes I believe that the weather does effect the taste of tomatoes.

lumierefrere · February 11, 2006

Hi Grungy. It was you who gave me that Russian Persimmon and spoke highly of it. See, I remember some things!

But remind me was it the Black Russian or the Russian Black you preferred.

PNW_D · February 11, 2006

Lumierefere,

I grow all my tomatoes in 5 gallons containers, so I would think you would be OK (unless it gets really hot where you are - then use larger, light coloured ones).

As for the picture, I think that has been answered by Garrett -

So, the process would be something like this:

1. Take the picture
2. Connect your camera to computer and upload the picture(s)
3. Create an account with an image hosting site
4. Upload pictures from your computer to the hosting site
5. Copy and paste the URL of the picture you want to post (I also click on the URL button in the message box- but not sure is this is required??).

Best of luck,
I'll be sure to look into this ... hopefully it is as easy as I've just said. LOL

-Garrett-

February 11, 2006	#1
COgarden Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: CO Zone 5 Posts: 97	Kellogg's Breakfast and Persimmon---Grow Both? I'm close to my final list for this years mater patch. I'm wondering if there is enough difference between KB and Persimmon to warrant growing both in a garden with only 20 spots. KB is my favorite of all so far so it has a spot for sure. It was so good last year, I'm hoping it won't let me down this time around. I love tomatoes with flavors leaning away from the sweet side. So, If you've grown both, or if you've grown Persimmon, what do you think? Grow 'em both or just Kelloggs Breakfast? Kurt

February 11, 2006	#11
PNW_D Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Coast, Canada Posts: 961	Received seed for Khurma (Russian Persimmon) from Andrey. A most delicious tomato. Notes from my 2004 grow out indicate: looks just like a Persimmon, later than Golden Delight and much lower production, but taste was excellent, assertive. I would grow again. Not a big plant. Here a picture (cropped, pre-digital) ….. __________________ D.

February 11, 2006	#15
PNW_D Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Coast, Canada Posts: 961	Lumierefere, I grow all my tomatoes in 5 gallons containers, so I would think you would be OK (unless it gets really hot where you are - then use larger, light coloured ones). As for the picture, I think that has been answered by Garrett - So, the process would be something like this: 1. Take the picture 2. Connect your camera to computer and upload the picture(s) 3. Create an account with an image hosting site 4. Upload pictures from your computer to the hosting site 5. Copy and paste the URL of the picture you want to post (I also click on the URL button in the message box- but not sure is this is required??). Best of luck, I'll be sure to look into this ... hopefully it is as easy as I've just said. LOL -Garrett- __________________ D.

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February 11, 2006	#2
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	I've grown both. I love Kellogg's Breakfast but am not that fond of the taste of Persimmon. But all the folks in the world cannot tell you what Persimmon will taste like to you, b'c your mileage may vary from others. So you can grow it and see how you like it and you can also consider some other oranges that might appeal to you b'c they aren't on the sweet side, as you said, and in that regard I'd suggest Tangella and Jaune Flammee as options. The orange variety most grown before KB appeared was Amana Orange, but I think KB is far superior in taste. Carolyn

February 11, 2006	#4
melody Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kentucky Posts: 162	I've grown both, and while both were good tomatoes,the KB is more to my taste too. I've grown it many times, but Persimmon only twice. Jaune Flammee is more intense tasting than KB. It is a burst of Tomatoey essence in your mouth. It's on my top 5 list.

February 11, 2006	#6
lumierefrere Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Zone 4 NY Posts: 772	Is this Persimmon being discussed the same as the Russian Persimmon? Would that be Khurma? Barb

February 11, 2006	#13
grungy Tomatovillian™ Honoree Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wynndel, BC, CANADA Posts: 78	Having grown all 3 last year I personally (zone 6 with cool, damp weather last year) would rank them top to bottom in taste last year as Russian Persimmon, Kellogg's Breakfast, and lastly Persimmon. They are all good tomatoes with that as I put it, anold fashioned tomato taste. Not too sweet but still a balance between acids and sugar. This however is a matter of taste. And yes I believe that the weather does effect the taste of tomatoes.