Indian Zebra - Need to Know

[TC_Manhattan]

Is Indian Zebra the same cultivar at Indian Stripe Potato-Leaf?

I have Indian Zebra seeds that I grew, Angel Fields as the source.
They were listed as, and grew out as, potato leaf plants. Great tomatoes, small plants.

Just want to know if I should be looking to try the Indian Stripe PL, or are they the same as what I've already got?

And yes, I've read through the archived threads that discuss names and origins of this/these tomatoes. Needless to say, I still need clarification.

Thanks much if you can help enlighten me!

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by TC_Manhattan

Is Indian Zebra the same cultivar at Indian Stripe Potato-Leaf?

I have Indian Zebra seeds that I grew, Angel Fields as the source.
They were listed as, and grew out as, potato leaf plants. Great tomatoes, small plants.

Just want to know if I should be looking to try the Indian Stripe PL, or are they the same as what I've already got?

And yes, I've read through the archived threads that discuss names and origins of this/these tomatoes. Needless to say, I still need clarification.

Thanks much if you can help enlighten me!

Why don't you start here and see the back history, but I warn you there's much more involved and plenty of threads here at Tville already about the situation.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Indian_Stripe

Carolyn, who was the first to introduce Indian Stripe all those years ago, seeds originally from Clyde Burson Sr.to Donna Nelson who sent them to her.

[TC_Manhattan]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Why don't you start here and see the back history, but I warn you there's much more involved and plenty of threads here at Tville already about the situation.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Indian_Stripe

Carolyn, who was the first to introduce Indian Stripe all those years ago, seeds originally from Clyde Burson Sr.to Donna Nelson who sent them to her.

Thanks for your reply, Carolyn. I've been over and roundabout through most if not all of the back history threads here at TV, and it feels like I'm trying to read between the lines.

What I'm asking is a simple "yes or no" as to whether Indian Stripe PL is the same thing as Indian Zebra?

If the answer is yes, then I can stop looking for ISPL seeds, since I have the ones sold to me as Indian Zebra which is a PL.

Please...?

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by TC_Manhattan

Thanks for your reply, Carolyn. I've been over and roundabout through most if not all of the back history threads here at TV, and it feels like I'm trying to read between the lines.

What I'm asking is a simple "yes or no" as to whether Indian Stripe PL is the same thing as Indian Zebra?

If the answer is yes, then I can stop looking for ISPL seeds, since I have the ones sold to me as Indian Zebra which is a PL.

Please...?

This thread will answer ALL of your questions,look at post 22 since it was Bill from Alabama,who first found ISPL, which is important to note.

Note also where the name Indian Zebra came from and its leaf form.

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=34136

I told you it was complicated, and I meant it.

It's now up to you,not me or any one else, to read and make your own conclusions.

Carolyn

[ContainerTed]

If we consider our Native Americans as the source of the name for this variety, then I would say that the Native people would not have chosen "Zebra". Names were assigned to things in the nature around them and Zebra was something foreign. I think the name should remain Indian Stripe and if the locals in one small area nicknamed it "whatever", Indian Stripe should prevail as the true name. Non-Native Americans have twisted and modified all sorts of names because they either couldn't pronounce something or didn't care.

[Gardeneer]

I grew the one called "INDIAN STRIP RL" this past summer.
== It was much more productive than CP.
== Its fruits were much smaller than CP
== The fruits had no significant STRIPE pattern when ripe.

I grew an unknown variety ( seeds taken from store bough heirloom/OP) that had more stripes than IS. That is the one I will grow in 2017.

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[TC_Manhattan]

Do any of you know of a source for ISPL seeds?

I've searched at length online and only can find references to this one existing, but no source.
Some of the listings for Indian Stripe RL mention ISPL but not where to find it.

I do have Indian Zebra PL from Angelfields. It was a nice tomato on a smallish plant.
It had more prominent striping than those in Gardeneer's photos, and tasted very good, not unlike CP.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by TC_Manhattan

Do any of you know of a source for ISPL seeds?

I've searched at length online and only can find references to this one existing, but no source.
Some of the listings for Indian Stripe RL mention ISPL but not where to find it.

I do have Indian Zebra PL from Angelfields. It was a nice tomato on a smallish plant.
It had more prominent striping than those in Gardeneer's photos, and tasted very good, not unlike CP.

Please see this thread here at Tville in the Wanted seed subforum.

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=43094

I told Steve that I was surprised that no one had answered since I had distributed seeds for it in several past seed offers.

You can take a chance on my seeds, if that would help,I was hoping that the person who first found ISPL might offer you seeds, but I hesitate contacting him for several reasons. But will if this is an absolute MUST have situation for you and you don't want my seeds,which right now are hard to get to what with my walker and limitations on where I can go in my own home and still assuming I have some left.

Carolyn

[TC_Manhattan]

Thank you for your response, Carolyn.

I figured I would plant out both my Indian Zebra PL alongside of ISPL this coming spring if I can get my hands on some seeds for ISPL.

I would gladly take you up on any seeds you might have left, regardless of age, so I can do this experiment and come up with a definite comparison. (What fun!)

Too bad I am not closer to you. Would be fun helping you with your tomato seed vault. I've learned so much from this website and you postings elsewhere as well and am finding myself immersed, with anticipation of each new season.

Please do let me know if you find any. I don't start seeds here till mid March.

And thank you again!

[JLJ_]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

. . . my seeds,which right now are hard to get to what with my walker and limitations on where I can go in my own home and still assuming I have some left.

Carolyn

Carolyn, I'm just getting ready to send some ISPL to another person, so early this morning I did PM TC_Manhattan and offer some ISPL seeds from bagged fruit -- children/grandchildren of your seeds. If TC prefers your seeds and whenever and if you can find them, that's great, but I knew you'd said you were having trouble getting to many parts of your nest these days, and I still had a few extras, so thought I'd offer. I'd PM'd Steve in Norway, too, but he needs the seeds before he'll be back in the US.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by JLJ_

Carolyn, I'm just getting ready to send some ISPL to another person, so early this morning I did PM TC_Manhattan and offer some ISPL seeds from bagged fruit -- children/grandchildren of your seeds. If TC prefers your seeds and whenever and if you can find them, that's great, but I knew you'd said you were having trouble getting to many parts of your nest these days, and I still had a few extras, so thought I'd offer. I'd PM'd Steve in Norway, too, but he needs the seeds before he'll be back in the US.

Thanks for that since I know your seeds have to be younger than mine are.

Steve,the expat with the wonderful Norwegian wife, is coming back to the US for a visit? I wonder when he last did that. Sounds good to me b/c I'm pretty sure he still has relatives back here.

Carolyn

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by TC_Manhattan

Thank you for your response, Carolyn.

I figured I would plant out both my Indian Zebra PL alongside of ISPL this coming spring if I can get my hands on some seeds for ISPL.

I would gladly take you up on any seeds you might have left, regardless of age, so I can do this experiment and come up with a definite comparison. (What fun!)

Too bad I am not closer to you. Would be fun helping you with your tomato seed vault. I've learned so much from this website and you postings elsewhere as well and am finding myself immersed, with anticipation of each new season.

Please do let me know if you find any. I don't start seeds here till mid March.

And thank you again!

JLJ said he has already PM ed you about sending you seeds so take him up on his offer since they have to be younger than my seeds..

Carolyn

[JLJ_]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Thanks for that since I know your seeds have to be younger than mine are.

Steve,the expat with the wonderful Norwegian wife, is coming back to the US for a visit? I wonder when he last did that. Sounds good to me b/c I'm pretty sure he still has relatives back here.

Carolyn

I don't believe he is coming to the US any time before next growing season -- that was the problem.

I did arrange to send seeds to TC-Manhattan, though.

[BigVanVader]

I have ISPL, send me a SASE and I will mail you some. They are a every year must grow for me as my wife is in love with them.

[Gardeneer]

Would anyone post pictures of ripe tomatoes of ISPL and IZ ?
Talking about tomato pattern (zebra, striped,) color (dark, purple ...) and no pictures !!!