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Old July 11, 2017   #256
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I have a friend in EU that sends me seeds for tomatoes & peppers---I don't know if it's her translator software or maybe Russian sites she gets seeds from but the pepper descriptions almost always say "The fruits in technical ripeness - green, in a biological - red." Huh? I've never seen that wording anywhere. Technical ripeness and biological ripeness? Here we'd just say fruits ripen from green to red, and that's pretty much true for most sweet varieties not yellow, orange or purple, except for a few being bred to remain green. I don't know if it's google, bing, or Russian & Ukrainian translation errors. Maybe Andrey knows.
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Korney, look at this link: http://www.institut-palanka.co.rs/en...nt/pepper.html
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HAHAHAHAHA!!! Thanks from Slovenia! Every item on that page had that! I DID NOT BOTHER going any further but assume the rest of the pages are similar! That site is in Russia so maybe we need to blame Putin!
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The peppers are distinguished by the technological maturity when the fruits are suitable for loading and direct consumption. The fruits are solid and can withstand transport and storage. In the second stage - botanical maturity harvested fully equipped seeds for seed harvesting.
I've never heard anything about tomatoes.
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The peppers are distinguished by the technological maturity when the fruits are suitable for loading and direct consumption. The fruits are solid and can withstand transport and storage. In the second stage - botanical maturity harvested fully equipped seeds for seed harvesting.
I've never heard anything about tomatoes.
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Thanks for clarifying that! But why don't they just say unripe & ripe? I thought it is
known you should only harvest seeds from ripe fruits.

I shared that link with my EU friend & she said that site is in Serbia, not Russia. I explained that we don't use that terminology in most English-speaking countries (technological/technical maturity & biological/botanical maturity.) She said, "I translated the text for sweet pepper description in Google translator...
As I wrote to you- I don't know English so well. I learn English in school more than 25 years ago.. And I never used it after school. Just only when I started to sell seeds..."
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Thanks for clarifying that! But why don't they just say unripe & ripe? I thought it is
known you should only harvest seeds from ripe fruits.
There is "ripe enough to eat" (green) versus "fully ripe"(red). They assume you DO know that they need to be fully ripe to harvest seeds.

The technical ripeness lets you know they're going to have some taste and not be hard as rocks in the green stage.

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Old July 12, 2017   #262
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Immature tomatoes are useless. Technlogical are ripe for a meal, have a bad seed. Botanically mature are not suitable for food (they are no longer tasty, the flesh is not brittle, etc.). They are really excellent only for seeds.
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Old July 15, 2017   #263
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Some photos of tomatoes that I'll grow in the hotbed next year too.
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Old July 15, 2017   #264
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If you like Sophie's Choice, have you tried Lime Green Salad? I find the plants are similar size, early, productive... LGS (top) & SC (bottom)
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That is our terminology for peppers and many other vegetables since Soviet Union times (technical/biological). Don't ask me why. Because we are different Putin is not involved or guilty

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Thanks for clarifying that! But why don't they just say unripe & ripe? I thought it is
known you should only harvest seeds from ripe fruits.

I shared that link with my EU friend & she said that site is in Serbia, not Russia. I explained that we don't use that terminology in most English-speaking countries (technological/technical maturity & biological/botanical maturity.) She said, "I translated the text for sweet pepper description in Google translator...
As I wrote to you- I don't know English so well. I learn English in school more than 25 years ago.. And I never used it after school. Just only when I started to sell seeds..."
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Old August 12, 2017   #266
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I find this making good sense to me. Many peppers are most usable when technically ripe, not botanically ripe. By saying green it could mean two different things, one not fully developed and hard, two just a green color but perfect for eating.

Like Nancy and Andrey I'm using the term technical instead of technological. I think that really is a translation glitch since technology / technological denotes man-made or machinery.
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You're right, it's technical maturity.
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Old September 26, 2017   #268
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In 2018, I want to continue this project with very early detergent tomatoes. Seeds of selected varieties I want to sow at the end of November. I think it is high time to decide which varieties to grow. So far I have been counting on the varieties that proved to me last year - 0-33, Sarayev M 22, Sophie's choice and Sarayev Shtambovyi. Tell me which varieties could fit me. Is there a very early low dwarf from a Dwarf project? Meanwhile, it's just about selecting some varieties. Then I want to look for seed sources. I'm waiting for Tanya to have some interesting new varieties in her offer for 2018.
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PS.: I also consider ordering for Casey's Heirloom Tomato (for example, Yaponskyi Karlik, ..) but I do not yet know if it sends seeds to Europe. Seeds of Mongolia Karlik I have not found anywhere outside Russia and Ukraine. There they have the seeds, but they do not send them across the border.
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Old September 26, 2017   #269
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Vladimir, is the problem getting seeds OUT of RUS/UKR, or getting IN to CZ? PM me your address, I have friend that has some Mongolian Dwarf....

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Vladimir,

This thread lists some:
http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=40996

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