reviews of the new (new to me) varieties I grew out - Page 2

jennifer28 · July 13, 2012

My friend bought them for me when she was over visiting family. She told me they were common commercial varieties. She didn't go over the names with me, she just translated them roughly for me. She did say they were common over there, that you could get them in any big box store. The only one of those that I really like is boets. I am only OK with Severnaya Koroleva. I didn't think they were heirlooms, but I liked that they were open pollinated and I thought well if they taste good then I could keep some.

I know what you mean by translations, my friend kept telling me about "manymeker" tomatoes which made me laugh because they were "moneymakers."

But yes, I will use the correct names. Thank you for giving me the correct ones.

jennifer28 · July 13, 2012

The heirloom from turkey is being offered in another thread in the seed for trade forum. I don't have enough to give to everyone yet but I am taking a list of people so I can get enough seed properly saved.

Jennifer

**carolyn137** · July 13, 2012

The family heirloom from Turkey, I don't know what to call it. I grew it out on a whim. It is a large red beefsteak, very very early, and nice thin skin. I got it from one of my student's parents. They brought it with them from Turkey. I will post pics of it. I saved seed from it. It was DELICIOUS! Nice, sweet, thin skin. Hardly any core. Juicy and a good balance of flavors. Good texture, not too mushy but not overly firm either. The family from Turkey didn't have a name for the tomato, they just told me they always grew it in Turkey and saved seeds. I didn't expect it to be this good, mmmmm! I saved seeds for next year.

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Jennifer, I gave it a try to hopefully find the older thread here where someone from Turkey was talking about a huge red or pink, I can't remember which, and praising it to the skies. She said it had no name as well, and I can't remember all that she said, no seeds were ever talked about and she kind of disappeared, but perhaps the one you're talking about might be close. She also named place names in Turkey and tried to describe exactly where she found it. And I do think she was actually Turkish and lived there.

I did come up with a thread where Chance the Gardener, who posts here and who is Turkish in origin was talking about his visit there and how almost all that's grown there now are hybrids and talking about some older Turkish varieties that had been revived and now available.

I didn't save the thread but if anyone is interested you can find it by entering Turkish Black in the search, or something like that. The thread title was Turkish Black as I recall.

OK, time to close the windows and doors since it's getting up to the high 90's here again today.

Tania · July 13, 2012

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Originally Posted by jennifer28

My friend bought them for me when she was over visiting family. She told me they were common commercial varieties. She didn't go over the names with me, she just translated them roughly for me. She did say they were common over there, that you could get them in any big box store. The only one of those that I really like is boets. I am only OK with Severnaya Koroleva. I didn't think they were heirlooms, but I liked that they were open pollinated and I thought well if they taste good then I could keep some.

I know what you mean by translations, my friend kept telling me about "manymeker" tomatoes which made me laugh because they were "moneymakers."

But yes, I will use the correct names. Thank you for giving me the correct ones.

I liked Boets too

Have not grown others, and did not have seeds for them - although I saw them available commercially in Russia. I guess the descriptions of being a 'good market tomato' did not appeal to me, I just imagined them being hard as a rock

. I frequent one of a Russian gardening forums where folks discuss the newly released commercial varieties they grow, and I never heard anyone there praising the others on your list highly, so your assessment is right on!

Having said that, there are so many wonderful commercial varieties that came from the former USSR recently, that it is worth the trials! Andrey sent many of them in trades to many folks, and I've got hundreds in my seed collection, many not grown yet.

Jennifer, it is great that you had the original names to refer to! Sometimes folks just receive seeds with translated names, and that's it.

jennifer28 · July 16, 2012

Hi Everyone

The family is from Gölbaşı, Adıyaman

I hope this is helpful.

Jennifer

jennifer28 · July 16, 2012

What should we call this Turkish tomato?

Should we name it from the town? Or should we name it after the family?

Worth1 · July 16, 2012

Where is the picture you said you would post?

What does it look like?

Worth

Baizanator · July 16, 2012

I think you should call it Ottoman Beauty.

jennifer28 · July 16, 2012

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Originally Posted by Worth1

Where is the picture you said you would post?

What does it look like?

Worth

I'll get them posted tomorrow. The truth is I didn't use my camera on my phone, I used the regular camera because I thought the picture quality would be better. Now I don't know where the F&(*& I put it. I have had over 20 requests for it and i have been busy filling them and working from 8 AM to 6 PM.

I posted the pics on the other ones because they were on my low quality camera phone.

It looks like a big pink beefsteak. Very thin skin. No real core.

I just was able to eat dinner (it's 9 PM and I made it too) now that i have done the dishes I'll go look for the camera.

I should take pics of the plant tomorrow if I get home when it is still light out.

jennifer28 · July 16, 2012

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Originally Posted by Worth1

Where is the picture you said you would post?

What does it look like?

Worth

I'll send you some seeds too. You can decide what you think and if it is anything special.

babice · July 16, 2012

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Originally Posted by Tania

I liked Boets too

Yeah - I do too. I vote for Boets. BTW - how is this pronounced? Is it Bets - like more closer to boets with the e upside down like a schwa?

**carolyn137** · July 16, 2012

Just noting that there's much more information in Jennifer's thread in the seed exchange where she offered seeds and where Chance is being ever so helpful in discussing Turkish varieties, including Jennifer's now that he knows where hers came from in Turkey.

So you might want to take a look there as well.

Tania · July 19, 2012

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Originally Posted by babice

Yeah - I do too. I vote for Boets. BTW - how is this pronounced? Is it Bets - like more closer to boets with the e upside down like a schwa?

Boets is pronounced like 'Boh (o like in 'got') -`ets (ts like in 'its')', stress on the second part.

delltraveller · July 20, 2012

I'm really on the fence about the names thing, not just with tomatoes, other vegetables and flowers and such, too. Translation or transliteration?

In translation, it's easier to convert back to an accurate version of the name in the original language, but it doesn't sound like it's homeland and it isn't recognized by it's people. And there can be mistakes, translating into "meaning" things that are place or family names, that sort of thing.

In transliteration, it can sound like itself, but there are no standardized rules on how all letters should be represented, from the Cyrillic alphabet, for example, or from Chinese characters, and you can end up with different spellings of the same name. And it's impossible to translate back into the original using books or online translators.

Anyone else feel conflicted, too?

habitat_gardener · July 20, 2012

Both! I think the way to go is to use the native name and put the translation in parentheses. Sometimes people just start using the translation, but at least if both names are in circulation, you have a chance at knowing the sound and the meaning.

I've been noticing that I used to see strictly Malakhitovaya Shkatulka (did I get it right?) a year or two ago, but this year I'm seeing strictly Malachite Box. True, it's a long name and it would inevitably be shortened to something in discussions, but I don't think the name migration would have happened if it hadn't been introduced (or listed in some catalogs) as Malakhitovaya Shkatulka (Malachite Box).

Second choice is just the native name, such as Sibirskiy Skorospelyi. I love the idea that these tomatoes came from somewhere else and that the names themselves suggest a history. And it helps that you can go to Tania's tomatobase and look up the history of many names!

Baker Creek, for one, seems to go with easy names, such as Orange Icicle. It's descriptive but not evocative.

July 13, 2012	#17
jennifer28 Two-faced Drama Queen Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital Posts: 955	Heirloom from Turkey The heirloom from turkey is being offered in another thread in the seed for trade forum. I don't have enough to give to everyone yet but I am taking a list of people so I can get enough seed properly saved. Jennifer

July 13, 2012	#18
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	The family heirloom from Turkey, I don't know what to call it. I grew it out on a whim. It is a large red beefsteak, very very early, and nice thin skin. I got it from one of my student's parents. They brought it with them from Turkey. I will post pics of it. I saved seed from it. It was DELICIOUS! Nice, sweet, thin skin. Hardly any core. Juicy and a good balance of flavors. Good texture, not too mushy but not overly firm either. The family from Turkey didn't have a name for the tomato, they just told me they always grew it in Turkey and saved seeds. I didn't expect it to be this good, mmmmm! I saved seeds for next year. ****** Jennifer, I gave it a try to hopefully find the older thread here where someone from Turkey was talking about a huge red or pink, I can't remember which, and praising it to the skies. She said it had no name as well, and I can't remember all that she said, no seeds were ever talked about and she kind of disappeared, but perhaps the one you're talking about might be close. She also named place names in Turkey and tried to describe exactly where she found it. And I do think she was actually Turkish and lived there. I did come up with a thread where Chance the Gardener, who posts here and who is Turkish in origin was talking about his visit there and how almost all that's grown there now are hybrids and talking about some older Turkish varieties that had been revived and now available. I didn't save the thread but if anyone is interested you can find it by entering Turkish Black in the search, or something like that. The thread title was Turkish Black as I recall. OK, time to close the windows and doors since it's getting up to the high 90's here again today. __________________ Carolyn

July 16, 2012	#20
jennifer28 Two-faced Drama Queen Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital Posts: 955	origin of the Turkish Heirloom tomato Hi Everyone The family is from Gölbaşı, Adıyaman I hope this is helpful. Jennifer

July 16, 2012	#21
jennifer28 Two-faced Drama Queen Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital Posts: 955	heirloom from Turkey what to call it? What should we call this Turkish tomato? Should we name it from the town? Or should we name it after the family?

July 16, 2012	#27
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Just noting that there's much more information in Jennifer's thread in the seed exchange where she offered seeds and where Chance is being ever so helpful in discussing Turkish varieties, including Jennifer's now that he knows where hers came from in Turkey. So you might want to take a look there as well. __________________ Carolyn

July 16, 2012	#22
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	Where is the picture you said you would post? What does it look like? Worth

July 16, 2012	#23
Baizanator Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Hamilton, Texas Posts: 382	I think you should call it Ottoman Beauty.

July 20, 2012	#29
delltraveller Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Posts: 481	I'm really on the fence about the names thing, not just with tomatoes, other vegetables and flowers and such, too. Translation or transliteration? In translation, it's easier to convert back to an accurate version of the name in the original language, but it doesn't sound like it's homeland and it isn't recognized by it's people. And there can be mistakes, translating into "meaning" things that are place or family names, that sort of thing. In transliteration, it can sound like itself, but there are no standardized rules on how all letters should be represented, from the Cyrillic alphabet, for example, or from Chinese characters, and you can end up with different spellings of the same name. And it's impossible to translate back into the original using books or online translators. Anyone else feel conflicted, too?

July 20, 2012	#30
habitat_gardener Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: California Central Valley Posts: 2,543	Both! I think the way to go is to use the native name and put the translation in parentheses. Sometimes people just start using the translation, but at least if both names are in circulation, you have a chance at knowing the sound and the meaning. I've been noticing that I used to see strictly Malakhitovaya Shkatulka (did I get it right?) a year or two ago, but this year I'm seeing strictly Malachite Box. True, it's a long name and it would inevitably be shortened to something in discussions, but I don't think the name migration would have happened if it hadn't been introduced (or listed in some catalogs) as Malakhitovaya Shkatulka (Malachite Box). Second choice is just the native name, such as Sibirskiy Skorospelyi. I love the idea that these tomatoes came from somewhere else and that the names themselves suggest a history. And it helps that you can go to Tania's tomatobase and look up the history of many names! Baker Creek, for one, seems to go with easy names, such as Orange Icicle. It's descriptive but not evocative. Last edited by habitat_gardener; July 20, 2012 at 02:50 PM.