Brandywine X Neves Azorean Red F4

[TightenUp]

This variety was given to me by a lovely lady here a t'ville. i had trouble keeping my in ground plants healthy but the one i stuck in a SWC took off. now i am getting tons of ripe tomatoes and i've been giving them away as i just cant eat them fast enough. i will be growing in a SWC next year for sure. i dont want to mention her name but many thanks for sending the seed.

[dokutaaguriin]

HOw is the taste?

[carolyn137]

https://www.mariannasheirloomseeds.c...om-heroes.html

Above is the background info on this variety. Bill sent me seeds for it quite a few years ago b'c Brandywine is a fine tomato and Neves Azorean Red is a variety I introduced and love.

I see you grew the F4 but to stabilize it it was taken out to I think the F7 and then was renamed Dixiewine per the link above.

[TightenUp]

Originally Posted by dokutaaguriin

HOw is the taste?

the taste is superb. i started the seed saving process yesterday and will either grow the F4, F5 or both next year. this variety really loved the SWC.

as importantly as the taste is(which i think is superb), the texture is my fav of the season. i also like the juice content. its not overly juicy and watery but it also far from dry. you can kinda see what i mean in the photo.

i only had 1 cat-faced tomato on the whole plant. the rest look just like the one in the photo. oh and this is a red variety, not pink

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by TightenUp

the taste is superb. i started the seed saving process yesterday and will either grow the F4, F5 or both next year. this variety really loved the SWC.

as importantly as the taste is(which i think is superb), the texture is my fav of the season. i also like the juice content. its not overly juicy and watery but it also far from dry. you can kinda see what i mean in the photo.

i only had 1 cat-faced tomato on the whole plant. the rest look just like the one in the photo. oh and this is a red variety, not pink

Just noting that in the post above yours where I gave the link that it already has been genetically stabilized and grown out to the F7 to do so, and already named Dixiewine.

And it appears from a Google search that now other Dixie types are in the offing, probably from crossing Dixiewine with another parent.

Just my opinion but if you were to grow it out for the F4, F5, you might well get different results depending on how many plants you put out so that you can see genetic segregation.

If you take a look at that link I think you'll see that along the way in the background of this variety selections were made all the time with the result being what was noted above.

Your choice entirely as to what you want to do with the F4 seeds sent to you.

Taste? Absolutely superb when I first grew it and that was back at maybe the F2/F3 and that was maybe 5 years ago. Thinking about it it must have been either in the summer of 2004 or before b'c I know I hadn't yet fallen that put me into this walker.

Heck, with parents of Brandywine and Neves Azorean Red what else could one expect as to taste?

[TightenUp]

carolyn
i had seen that link before and its a great history of the that specific brannar line. i guess the one i am growing would be different since the seeds i have never went to ray, they went from bill to i think 2 other people before reaching my hands.

anyway what a great tomato

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by TightenUp

carolyn
i had seen that link before and its a great history of the that specific brannar line. i guess the one i am growing would be different since the seeds i have never went to ray, they went from bill to i think 2 other people before reaching my hands.

anyway what a great tomato

Me be confused.

You said in your first post that you received the seeds from a lady here at Tville as F4 seeds and didn't want to mention her name, but represented your F4's as Brandywine X Neves Azorean Red which is the name of the original cross.

So how do you know that what you have never went to Ray, and how do you know that they went from Bill to two just two others before getting to you as the F4 seeds you got here at Tville.

All I'm saying is that in that link Bill doesn't mention any of the persons he shared seeds with on a pesonal basis, and I wasn't the only one. I saved seeds from the either F2 or F3's from the fruits from the seeds that Bill sent me, and no doubt still have them somewhere but I was not going to pursue it b'c I knew Bill and others were doing the same.

I was at idig, but no longer participate there by choice, when a thread started with someone asking about the Brandywine X NAR that Marianne was offering, and I contacted Bill ASAP about it and that's how the whole story unfolded, since I was pretty sure that what she was offering was not yet stable.

Now it is.

Again, your choice on what you want to do with your F4 seeds. You may well come up with some selections that will be totally different from what Dixiewine turned out to be and probably will. That was certainly true with the natural cross that occurred in Craig's garden between Brandywine and Tad, but with Tad being striped that led to a large number of selections and varieties.

And when I dehybridized what became OTV Brandywine I got all sorts of interesting selections, but since the person who returned seeds to Craig that turned out not to be Yellow Brandywine and sent a picture, I went after the large red with PL foliage shown in the picture, which was finally stable at the F5.

Great fun, really.

[greyghost]

I wasn't going to weigh in on this mostly because of the "lovely lady" comment
(I'm still blushing although I loved it). I got f3 and f4 seeds from some one who received the seeds from Bill (I had told Jeff the history). I grew out the
f3 only as I was hoping for a red and pink to stabilize (thinking at the time
I'd name after our 2 granddaughters). I grew 9 plants-all red, some pl and
rl. Saved seed from 4. It was extremely difficult to see any difference between them at that point This year, I grew Dixiewine, 2 pl and 1 rl and it's still very difficult for me to see any difference. The person I got seed from
had discontinued growing it because of disease issues-he had gotten a
red from the f3.

Jeff had advertized in the Wanted for Brannar so I offered him some pl and rl seed of these thinking it may be about as close as he'd get to Brannar. I think
he grew only the rl, though, so it's a very close relative of the NARX that Tom
and Ray grew ( the tomato that became Dixiewine.)

It's normally not something I give out-no one other than Jeff has requested
this cross although this year I sent out Dixiewine to a couple of people. Now
that there's a commercially available selection, I'd never send these seeds
as they require a long explanation-especially to give credit to Bill for making
the cross in the first place.

Hope that clears things up.

[TightenUp]

thanks for posting and clarifying. everytime i open my mouth about this variety you come in a clear things up. thanks again!!!

[TightenUp]

Originally Posted by greyghost

I wasn't going to weigh in on this mostly because of the "lovely lady" comment
(I'm still blushing although I loved it).

you're too funny

[greyghost]

Jeff-glad to-it's confusing when it's not a stable variety, especially without
a formal name. That said, it's a great cross and I'm glad to see there's a
commercial variety of this cross available. And maybe this will renew interest in it-having seen NARX and Brannar mentioned for a while.

Also, when I say I'm not seeing differences, I need to point out that tomatoes
fly out of here in the summer. But more importantly, I'm looking at the general
appearance of the fruits, shape-maybe size and most important-does one taste better than another. I'm sure if Bill were in my garden, he say "look this
one has so many locules, this one has more space between the branches,
this has more fruit in a cluster" and so on. Sometimes, I get so busy, I don't
examine every nuance-if I remember to compare cross-sections, that's a lot!

[carolyn137]

This year, I grew Dixiewine, 2 pl and 1 rl and it's still very difficult for me to see any difference. The person I got seed from
had discontinued growing it because of disease issues-he had gotten a
red from the f3.

******

I'm assuming you bought your seeds of Dixiewine so are you telling me that it still isn't stable since you got both PL and RL plants?

Sheesh, if true b/c Bill only suggested the name Dixiewine when he was confident that it was stable, and could be sold as such.

Darlene, I bet you blush as beautifully as the blush one sees on a fruit of a favorite tomato variety, and that's a compliment.

I put out three plants from the seeds that Bill sent me and one of them gave me large pink fruits, that I remember, but I don't remember the leaf form.

[TightenUp]

carolyn. i am pretty sure the RL and PL she was referring to were the saved seeds she grew along side dixiewine

[greyghost]

Jeff's correct, Carolyn. The pl's and rl I grew alongside the Dixiewine were
from the earlier f4 generation. I grew Dixiewine for everyone on my plant list-some never get back to me (often, for good reason-no tomatoes) and at
least my daughters are getting what I have so it seems stable. (I purchased
it from the source you listed.)

I had heard about some getting a pink early on but I guess, genetically, it
was too late for me even with f3 seeds. Or maybe a pink could still have
shown up if I had grown more than 9 plants.

And, yes, I'm very reserved and very much a blusher-it's always been an embarrassment!

The above blush will be nothing if another story gets out about this cross.

I give seeds to a group of elderly men every year-they grow in a community
garden. They get together early spring to share the seeds and other resources. Well, I gave them this cross as well as the history and told them it
didn't really have a name yet as it's won't be stable for several generations.
Well, one of them called, said they loved it. They did go ahead and name it
and wouldn't you know, they're calling it Darlene's Star. Needless to say, I
won't be inviting them to join T'Ville.

[lakelady]

Darlene, that's a lovely compliment to you! Sounds like a great tomato