New "Heirloom Marriage (tm)" Tomato Varieties - Page 2

**nctomatoman** · May 10, 2015

A very cool learning from the Dwarf project is that you never know what the hybrid will taste like. Some great crosses led to really mediocre F1s, but some outstanding things then popped up in the F2 and beyond.

The best tasting F1s - in fact, great tomatoes - are Sneezy (Golden Dwarf Champion X Green Giant) - medium large smooth delicious bright yellow. Pesty is really good - large oblate sweet pink (New Big Dwarf X Pesta Mortgage Lifter, a typical large bicolor), Sleazy A (huge oblate sweet pink, New Big Dwarf X Carbon), and Tipsy (medium deeply flavored red, Golden Dwarf Champion X Elbe - so an odd red F1 with a yellow X orange cross).

The worst tasting F1 to me was Happy (New Big Dwarf X Paul Robeson), though lots of good eventually emerged. Bashful, Doc, Dopey, Eventful, Grumpy, Dizzy, Jaunty, Nosey, Sleepy and Witty are all bland-ish - most are non descript medium reds.

So you never know!

Tall Tier · May 11, 2015

I have a few varieties from heirloom marriage, a couple 'genuine' a couple 'beefsteak' and couple 'super fantastic vf. Also three 'big brandy'. Bought as 4" starts on sale for 1.33 each they are adjusting to five gal buckets.

Gardeneer · May 11, 2015

Well, but aren't all hybrids children of the heirlooms ?
Just thinking.

Gardeneer

NarnianGarden · May 11, 2015

The PanAm website has some other interesting varieties as well, Orange Zinger is one that would be something to try out.
http://www.panamseed.com/plant_info....62000001028073

sjamesNorway · May 11, 2015

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Originally Posted by maf

There's another one too: Heirloom Marriage Jersey Boy Tomato

I follwed this link, and wonder what Ball means by "Hardiness Degree: 0*F (-17.8*C)" for "Cherokee Carbon" and "Jersey Boy". Now those are some hardy tomatoes!

Steve

NarnianGarden · May 12, 2015

I can't really believe those numbers - they would mean a tomato variety that survives the Finnish winter...

Ozark · May 12, 2015

"I can't really believe those numbers - they would mean a tomato variety that survives the Finnish winter..."
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I agree, there's a mistake. I think they must mean their tomato (like all tomatoes) is hardy down to zero degrees C, 32 degrees F, the freezing point of water - at which point it will freeze and die. No surprise there.

clkeiper · May 13, 2015

I ordered the Orange Zinger this year and have it growing in flats right now. It is a nice looking sturdy tomato this far. Hopefully I will get it in soon and have something to taste in the near future.

sjamesNorway · May 13, 2015

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Originally Posted by Ozark

"I can't really believe those numbers - they would mean a tomato variety that survives the Finnish winter..."
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I agree, there's a mistake. I think they must mean their tomato (like all tomatoes) is hardy down to zero degrees C, 32 degrees F, the freezing point of water - at which point it will freeze and die. No surprise there.

It's clearly a mistake. All the other "Hierloom Marriage" varieties show "40*F (4.4*C) for hardiness, which is reasonable. You'd think a major company like Ball would avoid such obvious blunders.

NarnianGarden · May 13, 2015

Then again, such a resistant tomato would be a hit in colder climates..

But again, mere survival might not equal 'great taste' - sun and warmth are still needed for a good tomato flavor. Tomato isn't like lingonberry or cranberry that only get sweeter and tastier when frost hits them...

**Lee** · May 13, 2015

Don't forget about Rosy (Rosella Purple F4 (RL) X Orange Heirloom (RL))

This was the best of the F1s I trialed in size, flavor, and production. The flavor of this one was just a bit below or on par with the best releases to date....

Lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by nctomatoman

The best tasting F1s - in fact, great tomatoes - are Sneezy (Golden Dwarf Champion X Green Giant) - medium large smooth delicious bright yellow. Pesty is really good - large oblate sweet pink (New Big Dwarf X Pesta Mortgage Lifter, a typical large bicolor), Sleazy A (huge oblate sweet pink, New Big Dwarf X Carbon), and Tipsy (medium deeply flavored red, Golden Dwarf Champion X Elbe - so an odd red F1 with a yellow X orange cross).

So you never know!

gssgarden · May 13, 2015

Lee, where can I find info on Rosy?

Thanks,

Greg

**Lee** · May 13, 2015

Here ->http://www.tomatoville.com/forumdisplay.php?f=143

Although be careful with the F1 post... it could cause drooling damage to your computer!

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Originally Posted by gssgarden

Lee, where can I find info on Rosy?

Thanks,

Greg

**nctomatoman** · May 13, 2015

Ah, Lee - Rosy was diseased for me so I didn't get to see it at its best - that thread leaf thing that must have been some sort of mosaic virus

gssgarden · May 13, 2015

Lee, you're right! Love the pics and especially Patrina's when she was getting all those colors!

Might be on my list next year!

Greg

May 10, 2015	#16
nctomatoman Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hendersonville, NC zone 7 Posts: 10,385	A very cool learning from the Dwarf project is that you never know what the hybrid will taste like. Some great crosses led to really mediocre F1s, but some outstanding things then popped up in the F2 and beyond. The best tasting F1s - in fact, great tomatoes - are Sneezy (Golden Dwarf Champion X Green Giant) - medium large smooth delicious bright yellow. Pesty is really good - large oblate sweet pink (New Big Dwarf X Pesta Mortgage Lifter, a typical large bicolor), Sleazy A (huge oblate sweet pink, New Big Dwarf X Carbon), and Tipsy (medium deeply flavored red, Golden Dwarf Champion X Elbe - so an odd red F1 with a yellow X orange cross). The worst tasting F1 to me was Happy (New Big Dwarf X Paul Robeson), though lots of good eventually emerged. Bashful, Doc, Dopey, Eventful, Grumpy, Dizzy, Jaunty, Nosey, Sleepy and Witty are all bland-ish - most are non descript medium reds. So you never know! __________________ Craig

May 13, 2015	#23
clkeiper Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ohio Posts: 4,350	I ordered the Orange Zinger this year and have it growing in flats right now. It is a nice looking sturdy tomato this far. Hopefully I will get it in soon and have something to taste in the near future. __________________ carolyn k

May 13, 2015	#29
nctomatoman Tomatoville® Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hendersonville, NC zone 7 Posts: 10,385	Ah, Lee - Rosy was diseased for me so I didn't get to see it at its best - that thread leaf thing that must have been some sort of mosaic virus __________________ Craig

May 11, 2015	#17
Tall Tier Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Canada Posts: 24	I have a few varieties from heirloom marriage, a couple 'genuine' a couple 'beefsteak' and couple 'super fantastic vf. Also three 'big brandy'. Bought as 4" starts on sale for 1.33 each they are adjusting to five gal buckets.

May 11, 2015	#18
Gardeneer Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: NC - zone 8a - heat zone 7 Posts: 4,924	Well, but aren't all hybrids children of the heirlooms ? Just thinking. Gardeneer

May 11, 2015	#19
NarnianGarden Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Finland, EU Posts: 2,550	The PanAm website has some other interesting varieties as well, Orange Zinger is one that would be something to try out. http://www.panamseed.com/plant_info....62000001028073

May 12, 2015	#21
NarnianGarden Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Finland, EU Posts: 2,550	I can't really believe those numbers - they would mean a tomato variety that survives the Finnish winter...

May 12, 2015	#22
Ozark Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ozark, Mo. Posts: 201	"I can't really believe those numbers - they would mean a tomato variety that survives the Finnish winter..." ----------------------------------- I agree, there's a mistake. I think they must mean their tomato (like all tomatoes) is hardy down to zero degrees C, 32 degrees F, the freezing point of water - at which point it will freeze and die. No surprise there.

May 13, 2015	#27
gssgarden Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N.C. Posts: 1,827	Lee, where can I find info on Rosy? Thanks, Greg