whats going on with juane flammee - Page 3

GaryStPaul · February 16, 2016

Thanks, everybody, for your replies. I certainly don’t wish to offend anyone. Like cloz, I’ve more or less made my peace with what we see on the internet. And I don't think we should get fussy or pedantic over spelling in casual posts here or anywhere else, especially when accents in foreign languages are involved.

I did want to respond in this thread on Jaune Flammée, however, because one of the early replies mentioned spelling in a humorous way, and also because (1) name is so often mangled; and (2) because at least one incorrect version is now making its way into published books (Epic Tomatoes, e.g.) and catalogues (many). To JosephineRose’s point: Jaune Flammée does translate as ‘flamed yellow’ (tomate, feminine, being implied). It is so listed on French sites such as Tomodori, where you’ll find similar cases, e.g. Belle Arlésienne, Grosse de Perthuis, Petite Pomme Blanche, etc.

Gary

Longlake · February 16, 2016

Charley - I'm glad you posted about Jaune Flamme, because I've had the same experience. My initial seeds grew tomatoes much like the ones in your pic, elongated and running 3-4 oz. LOVED them as they were productive, early, and I liked the taste profile. Those seeds were from wintersown (thanks Trudi!). Thinking that all JF's were the same, I used up that initial stock of seeds and then bought more from Heritage. That batch of seeds produced perfectly round 1-2oz tomatoes in large clusters. They were super-productive and the taste was fine, but not what I expected/wanted. Last year I tried again, ordering from SSE because their description was for a slightly larger tomato (4oz, according to the verbiage). Well, the SSE seeds produced a 2-3 oz round tomato in very large clusters...closer to what I was looking for, but not quite. Good to know I'm not the only one confused!

Starlight · February 16, 2016

I'm growing Juane Flammee for the first time this year. Will be interesting to see what I get and if mine match up to anybody else's description.

**carolyn137** · February 16, 2016

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Originally Posted by Longlake

Charley - I'm glad you posted about Jaune Flamme, because I've had the same experience. My initial seeds grew tomatoes much like the ones in your pic, elongated and running 3-4 oz. LOVED them as they were productive, early, and I liked the taste profile. Those seeds were from wintersown (thanks Trudi!). Thinking that all JF's were the same, I used up that initial stock of seeds and then bought more from Heritage. That batch of seeds produced perfectly round 1-2oz tomatoes in large clusters. They were super-productive and the taste was fine, but not what I expected/wanted. Last year I tried again, ordering from SSE because their description was for a slightly larger tomato (4oz, according to the verbiage). Well, the SSE seeds produced a 2-3 oz round tomato in very large clusters...closer to what I was looking for, but not quite. Good to know I'm not the only one confused!

The one you got from the SSE public catalog is the correct one. You'll note that it was BillMinkey who first got it from Norbert in France.

Actually here's what happened. Norbert contacted 4 of us and asked if we wanted to trade with him. We did and coordinated our efforts so there were no duplications. All 4of us SSE listed them in the annual SSE YEarbooks to make them available to others and I sent the best of them to seed vendors I knew well for trial tomake themavailable to all.There are many seed vendors who are also SSE members and they would have gotten them ,probably, from thosewholisted them

Yes it says 4 oz tomato in the blurb and shows a round cherry as it should. I also featured it inmy heirloom tomato book and got 2-3 oz fruits inclusters of 6 as Iwroteintheblurb. Inthe back of the bookwhereInoted my seedsources Isaid fromNorbert, but that waswrong, myseeds weredirectly fromBillMinkey.

Amongst the 4of us in on that trade, we requested ones we wanted that others had gotten out.

When grown in any season by anyone with any variety fruit size can vary bc of some any variables which include where geographically a variety is grown, how it is grown, sprawling, caging, staking, containers, etc,which amendments were use and if so how much and when, and always the weather is a factor as well.

So I can confirm that what you got from the public catalog is correct for the variety, a round largish cherry that usually grows in clusters of about six,

Carolyn

Gardeneer · February 16, 2016

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

Better check your own spelling in the above, never heard of Filamme, and especially your user name where your forgot the accent mark.

Carolyn

Lalita,

C'est où dans le 77 ?

La jaune flamme va devenir aussi une de mes préférés

Translation:
Lalita , This is where the 77 ? The yellow flame will also become a favorite of mine : oops:

Longlake · February 16, 2016

Thank you, Carolyn...What would we do without you??? I'm holding on to the SSE-sourced seeds and will bag/save them. I also picked Earl of Edgecombe, which you recommended as a possible option if one was looking for larger fruit. Both JF and EoE have guaranteed spots in the 2016 garden, so we'll see how it goes.

My garden has room for only 1 or 2 plants of any given variety, so sometimes it's difficult to know if fruit that fails to match the description/my expectations is due to a single mixed-up seed, environmental conditions or what. It's interesting to read the postings from others that struggle with the same questions

Happy Gardening!

charley · February 17, 2016

im not offended in any way nor do i wish to offend by my miss spelling of someones favorite tomato.i was thinking of doing a grow out this fall of the 2 varieties that longlake is sending(thank you very much by the way) and the roma shaped one and a few that closely resembles the roma shaped one like sweet orange roma and any others that yall think might look somthing like whats is in post #15

February 16, 2016	#32
Longlake Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: MN Posts: 142	Charley - I'm glad you posted about Jaune Flamme, because I've had the same experience. My initial seeds grew tomatoes much like the ones in your pic, elongated and running 3-4 oz. LOVED them as they were productive, early, and I liked the taste profile. Those seeds were from wintersown (thanks Trudi!). Thinking that all JF's were the same, I used up that initial stock of seeds and then bought more from Heritage. That batch of seeds produced perfectly round 1-2oz tomatoes in large clusters. They were super-productive and the taste was fine, but not what I expected/wanted. Last year I tried again, ordering from SSE because their description was for a slightly larger tomato (4oz, according to the verbiage). Well, the SSE seeds produced a 2-3 oz round tomato in very large clusters...closer to what I was looking for, but not quite. Good to know I'm not the only one confused! __________________ My garden is like a teenager - One minute I'm basking in it's glow and the next I'm cursing it's attitude and headstrong independence.

February 16, 2016	#36
Longlake Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: MN Posts: 142	Thank you, Carolyn...What would we do without you??? I'm holding on to the SSE-sourced seeds and will bag/save them. I also picked Earl of Edgecombe, which you recommended as a possible option if one was looking for larger fruit. Both JF and EoE have guaranteed spots in the 2016 garden, so we'll see how it goes. My garden has room for only 1 or 2 plants of any given variety, so sometimes it's difficult to know if fruit that fails to match the description/my expectations is due to a single mixed-up seed, environmental conditions or what. It's interesting to read the postings from others that struggle with the same questions Happy Gardening! __________________ My garden is like a teenager - One minute I'm basking in it's glow and the next I'm cursing it's attitude and headstrong independence.

February 17, 2016	#37
charley Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: copperas cove TEXAS Posts: 637	im not offended in any way nor do i wish to offend by my miss spelling of someones favorite tomato.i was thinking of doing a grow out this fall of the 2 varieties that longlake is sending(thank you very much by the way) and the roma shaped one and a few that closely resembles the roma shaped one like sweet orange roma and any others that yall think might look somthing like whats is in post #15 Last edited by charley; February 17, 2016 at 11:21 AM.

February 16, 2016	#31
GaryStPaul Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: St Paul, MN Posts: 158	Thanks, everybody, for your replies. I certainly don’t wish to offend anyone. Like cloz, I’ve more or less made my peace with what we see on the internet. And I don't think we should get fussy or pedantic over spelling in casual posts here or anywhere else, especially when accents in foreign languages are involved. I did want to respond in this thread on Jaune Flammée, however, because one of the early replies mentioned spelling in a humorous way, and also because (1) name is so often mangled; and (2) because at least one incorrect version is now making its way into published books (Epic Tomatoes, e.g.) and catalogues (many). To JosephineRose’s point: Jaune Flammée does translate as ‘flamed yellow’ (tomate, feminine, being implied). It is so listed on French sites such as Tomodori, where you’ll find similar cases, e.g. Belle Arlésienne, Grosse de Perthuis, Petite Pomme Blanche, etc. Gary

February 16, 2016	#33
Starlight Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: AL Posts: 1,993	I'm growing Juane Flammee for the first time this year. Will be interesting to see what I get and if mine match up to anybody else's description.