Cool Coastal 2016 early prolific favourites.... - Page 3

BlackBear · June 4, 2016

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Originally Posted by venturabananas

I probably don't have the cool that you all have, but I am coastal and nights are never warm during spring - summer and almost always foggy. As a result, many varieties just won't consistently set fruit until mid or late summer. Two varieties that always set fruit early, though aren't the fastest to ripen them, and are productive are Malachite Box and Azoychka. Might be worth a try.

ah ha !
do you mean Malakhitovaya Shkatulka for malachite box ???.........
you think it sets fruit in cool early conditions ...even if it is a bit later to harvest ?

very interesting ...

Azoychka is good .

venturabananas · June 4, 2016

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Originally Posted by BlackBear

ah ha !
do you mean Malakhitovaya Shkatulka for malachite box ???.........
you think it sets fruit in cool early conditions ...even if it is a bit later to harvest ?

very interesting ...

Azoychka is good .

Yes, I can never remember how to spell the proper name for Malachite Box -- so I don't bother!

In terms of when it sets and ripens fruit, it is nearly the same as Azoychka for me.

Gardeneer · June 4, 2016

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Originally Posted by venturabananas

I probably don't have the cool that you all have, but I am coastal and nights are never warm during spring - summer and almost always foggy. As a result, many varieties just won't consistently set fruit until mid or late summer. Two varieties that always set fruit early, though aren't the fastest to ripen them, and are productive are Malachite Box and Azoychka. Might be worth a try.

I second Azoychka.
I grew it last year. It was very prolific with a good taste.I am growing it again.
This picture was taken in late July.

BlackBear · June 4, 2016

4 from the Dwarf project that might be good for cool Zone development are ..

Dwarf Arctic rose , Bundaberg Rumball , Dwarf Pink Passion , Sarandipity (short days for development rating ...under 70)

Yukon Quest did well for me also .

JosephineRose · June 14, 2016

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Originally Posted by bower

I have Zolotoe Serdtse seeds if you want some for next year. ZS is one of the keepers for us, and my mom grows it outdoors every year with Chernomor.
I'm growing out some crosses involving Stupice, Kimberley and ZS this year. Quite a late start but lots of early flowering 52 days or less and I'm still getting the transplants done. The first early fruit is an F3 from Kimberley X Zolotye Kupola, flowered at 46 days and started pushing out the fruit only 52 days from seed. Weather has been frosty but this one already has three fruit set.
One thing I've noticed is that later starts flower earlier - I think tomatoes are more sensitive to day length than I thought. Some surprise earliness in the OP's that I'm growing - Owen's Purple and Mazarini flowering at 46 days. Oaxaca Jewel PL started latest also flowered earliest at 42 days, compared with 57 and 67 days in previous years. Mark's Bloody Butcher Brandywine F1 also flowered at 46 days.
Another that looks interesting is the yellow determinate V Desyatku flowering at 51 days. Pervaya Lyubov is an early pink slicer usually just a few days later than Stupice, I know they are flowering already at the farm but my plant is holding off opening those buds for the moment.

I have some Pervaya Lyubov seeds I'd like to try. How has it been for you? How many DTH?

Would love to hear about Zolotoe Serdtse! It's on my wishlist at Victory Seeds.

bower · June 14, 2016

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Originally Posted by JosephineRose

I have some Pervaya Lyubov seeds I'd like to try. How has it been for you? How many DTH?

Would love to hear about Zolotoe Serdtse! It's on my wishlist at Victory Seeds.

Pervaya Lyubov is a nice pink slicer and the year I grew it here, came in a couple days after Stupice. It's been a good enough producer for my friend to grow it three years now at her farm. I'm growing again this year, but something happened to my plant and dropped its first cluster, so it's running behind the others.
Zolotoe Serdtse was about a week later than Pervaya L the year I grew them both. Very heavy crop of firm orange fruit. ZS ripens really slowly and a little tricky to tell when the fruit is peak for fresh eating. They are excellent to freeze IMO for various uses - sweet.

BlackBear · June 15, 2016

I have trialed 3 Japanese Mini dwarfs again

Rejina Red , Rejina Yellow (Regular leaf) and Chibikko (rugose)
Rejina Red and Yellow are listed as early season and Chibikko is listed as Mid season ..

The funny thing is Chibikko plants are flowering and setting fruit well ahead of the other 2
"early" types (they are worth the wait as they are delicious !)

It is sure funny how a coastal cool growing environment will change the development outcomes of various varieties .....and some mid season become very efficient ...more so than some "early season " varieties .

BlackBear · June 15, 2016

It is a Low of 47 F and a High of 57 F Today here.

Is that not "cool coastal " enough environment for you ?........

as in "Gladiator "................"Are you Not Entertained ?"

AKmark · June 15, 2016

Bower, I am glad to see you tried the cross. Some plants in the f4's are a much bigger fruit, and are only less than a week behind the F1, I have the f5's going now, and chose 6-7 different plants to carry on the line. Some of the f4's were only 102 days from seed sprout and some of the fruit was a pound, the best part is they taste awesome, and produce like crazy. I have some pics of them in my plant management thread in the container section.
I also did several back crosses with other crosses and are also stabilizing those too, we are seeing some good results there too.
I also have the entire Saraev collection outside in my garden for trials, some are looking very promising, even in AK where we have chilly nights most of the time.
Good thread, I have written down a few varieties I have not tried. Keep-em coming.
Mark

Allisa · June 15, 2016

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Originally Posted by BlackBear

ah ha !
do you mean Malakhitovaya Shkatulka for malachite box ???.........
you think it sets fruit in cool early conditions ...even if it is a bit later to harvest ?

very interesting ...

Azoychka is good .

Hello! In my place Malakhitovaya Shkatulka sets up to 7 trusses of fruits. For me it's not an early type, more of a mid variety. This year I planted outside on May 15, just started to bloom. Some years I planted out on Apr 1, and got first fruits in the beginning of August.

coolbythecoast · June 16, 2016

For a large fruited variety I have had excellent results with mid-season Caspian Pink whereas I have never had a Delicious even set fruit!

In my experience, if the variety has a Russian name it does well for me. Most of the blacks have been very tasty.

This season, of my early tomatoes, Glasnost, won the contest for flavor and texture. Stupcike Skelenikove has been productive but not outstanding flavor.

Also consider Beaverlodge Slicer, though it has a tendency to have more fruit than plant! Pick off early blossoms or plant closely?

BlackBear · June 16, 2016

I also work at the 3 gallon square bucket culture ...here and this year
The earliest response in this cool environment is from :
Mano
Sophie's Choice
Yaponskiy Karlik
Rosa Vetrov
Utyonok
Venus (1 gallon)
Red dwarf / Roter Zwerg
Glacier
Ditmarsher
Betalux
Chibikko (1 gallon )
Roma Vf ??? (outside usually later but set fruit this
year already ?)

I have a later set of 3 + gallon culture just a little later response time
Later but still early developing group
Nevsky
Kootenai
Cyril's Choice
Yellow Pygmy
Hahm's gelbe
Rejina red /rejina yellow
red robin
Yellow canary
Silvery Fir
Taimyr
Polish dwarf
Fuzzy Wuzzy
Ola polka
Whipper Snapper
Latah
Alpatieva 905A
Detskiy Sladikiy
Extreme Bush
Gold nugget

Allisa · June 17, 2016

This year, I got first response (small green fruits) on Rosovyi Moyd (Pink Honey), COEUR DE BOEUF ROSE DU JAPON (new to me), and P20BK (new to me). They were planted out on Apr 1 and Apr 15. Also got some fruits on Sakura F1 (cherry) from Walmart. Non of them are ripe, yet. Half of the varieties in my garden are not even blooming.

Allisa · June 17, 2016

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Originally Posted by BlackBear

I also work at the 3 gallon square bucket culture ...here and this year
The earliest response in this cool environment is from :

Betalux

Gold nugget

I did grow Betalux last year and in my garden it was a mid season variety, Gold nugget wasn't early, either.

bower · June 17, 2016

We're having a really late cold cloudy spring this year, so although I started late the effect on the plants is as if I had started earlier. Also having some issues with the new container soil and doing my best to make amends before it's too late. Some of the plants are dropping their early sets, and some have tiny sets that aren't growing in the present cold drizzle and fog. So in the circumstances, the ones that push out the fruit and grow them regardless are once again the early stars of the show. Most are the same lines that were outstanding in last year's bleak summer - Skipper, Kitten Paws, and Hope's Early top the list - Hope's from the Kimberley X Zolotye Kupola line has the biggest and earliest fruit on the way.
In the OP's on trial this year, only V Desyatku is holding its own against the cold. It has dropped a few sets but still has multiple fruit growing and about grape size at 75 days from seed.
Orange Minsk was looking good but sadly dropped its early sets. None of the other OP's have grown any sets as yet.
Mark, your cross was started late with Oaxaca Jewel PL (a personal favourite) and both of them have tiny sets not grown yet, but these two only germinated April 15 so they are still but 62 days from seed. The plant is lovely, I put it in the 'cheerful PL' category ie no corkscrewing the leaves to complain about one thing or another.

We're stuck in RDF for a couple more days, but the forecast is for summer weather to kick in starting Sunday.

Whether it lasts a week or more, well we'll see.

June 4, 2016	#34
BlackBear Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2015 Location: Nanaimo , BC Posts: 961	4 from the Dwarf project that might be good for cool Zone development are .. Dwarf Arctic rose , Bundaberg Rumball , Dwarf Pink Passion , Sarandipity (short days for development rating ...under 70) Yukon Quest did well for me also . __________________ So Many Tomatoes ...So Little Time !

June 15, 2016	#37
BlackBear Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2015 Location: Nanaimo , BC Posts: 961	I have trialed 3 Japanese Mini dwarfs again Rejina Red , Rejina Yellow (Regular leaf) and Chibikko (rugose) Rejina Red and Yellow are listed as early season and Chibikko is listed as Mid season .. The funny thing is Chibikko plants are flowering and setting fruit well ahead of the other 2 "early" types (they are worth the wait as they are delicious !) It is sure funny how a coastal cool growing environment will change the development outcomes of various varieties .....and some mid season become very efficient ...more so than some "early season " varieties . __________________ So Many Tomatoes ...So Little Time !

June 15, 2016	#38
BlackBear Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2015 Location: Nanaimo , BC Posts: 961	It is a Low of 47 F and a High of 57 F Today here. Is that not "cool coastal " enough environment for you ?........ as in "Gladiator "................"Are you Not Entertained ?" __________________ So Many Tomatoes ...So Little Time !

June 16, 2016	#42
BlackBear Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2015 Location: Nanaimo , BC Posts: 961	I also work at the 3 gallon square bucket culture ...here and this year The earliest response in this cool environment is from : Mano Sophie's Choice Yaponskiy Karlik Rosa Vetrov Utyonok Venus (1 gallon) Red dwarf / Roter Zwerg Glacier Ditmarsher Betalux Chibikko (1 gallon ) Roma Vf ??? (outside usually later but set fruit this year already ?) I have a later set of 3 + gallon culture just a little later response time Later but still early developing group Nevsky Kootenai Cyril's Choice Yellow Pygmy Hahm's gelbe Rejina red /rejina yellow red robin Yellow canary Silvery Fir Taimyr Polish dwarf Fuzzy Wuzzy Ola polka Whipper Snapper Latah Alpatieva 905A Detskiy Sladikiy Extreme Bush Gold nugget __________________ So Many Tomatoes ...So Little Time !

June 15, 2016	#39
AKmark Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Wasilla Alaska Posts: 2,010	Bower, I am glad to see you tried the cross. Some plants in the f4's are a much bigger fruit, and are only less than a week behind the F1, I have the f5's going now, and chose 6-7 different plants to carry on the line. Some of the f4's were only 102 days from seed sprout and some of the fruit was a pound, the best part is they taste awesome, and produce like crazy. I have some pics of them in my plant management thread in the container section. I also did several back crosses with other crosses and are also stabilizing those too, we are seeing some good results there too. I also have the entire Saraev collection outside in my garden for trials, some are looking very promising, even in AK where we have chilly nights most of the time. Good thread, I have written down a few varieties I have not tried. Keep-em coming. Mark

June 16, 2016	#41
coolbythecoast Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 39	For a large fruited variety I have had excellent results with mid-season Caspian Pink whereas I have never had a Delicious even set fruit! In my experience, if the variety has a Russian name it does well for me. Most of the blacks have been very tasty. This season, of my early tomatoes, Glasnost, won the contest for flavor and texture. Stupcike Skelenikove has been productive but not outstanding flavor. Also consider Beaverlodge Slicer, though it has a tendency to have more fruit than plant! Pick off early blossoms or plant closely?

June 17, 2016	#43
Allisa Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Oregon Posts: 176	This year, I got first response (small green fruits) on Rosovyi Moyd (Pink Honey), COEUR DE BOEUF ROSE DU JAPON (new to me), and P20BK (new to me). They were planted out on Apr 1 and Apr 15. Also got some fruits on Sakura F1 (cherry) from Walmart. Non of them are ripe, yet. Half of the varieties in my garden are not even blooming.

June 17, 2016	#45
bower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 6,794	We're having a really late cold cloudy spring this year, so although I started late the effect on the plants is as if I had started earlier. Also having some issues with the new container soil and doing my best to make amends before it's too late. Some of the plants are dropping their early sets, and some have tiny sets that aren't growing in the present cold drizzle and fog. So in the circumstances, the ones that push out the fruit and grow them regardless are once again the early stars of the show. Most are the same lines that were outstanding in last year's bleak summer - Skipper, Kitten Paws, and Hope's Early top the list - Hope's from the Kimberley X Zolotye Kupola line has the biggest and earliest fruit on the way. In the OP's on trial this year, only V Desyatku is holding its own against the cold. It has dropped a few sets but still has multiple fruit growing and about grape size at 75 days from seed. Orange Minsk was looking good but sadly dropped its early sets. None of the other OP's have grown any sets as yet. Mark, your cross was started late with Oaxaca Jewel PL (a personal favourite) and both of them have tiny sets not grown yet, but these two only germinated April 15 so they are still but 62 days from seed. The plant is lovely, I put it in the 'cheerful PL' category ie no corkscrewing the leaves to complain about one thing or another. We're stuck in RDF for a couple more days, but the forecast is for summer weather to kick in starting Sunday. Whether it lasts a week or more, well we'll see.