stupice not PL

[JRinPA]

I received some seeds marked stupice in a trade before this season. They germinated fairly well and I planted them for early, small tomatoes. They were first by a day or two, they taste great, and are fairly numerous.

The only problem - they are not potato leaf. I keep reading on the net that stupice are supposed to be potato leaf, but they look regular leaf to me. The only two potato leaf I have this year are brandywine and stump of the world.

Anyone know if there is a regular leaf strain? I wouldn't want to trade these saved seeds as stupice if they are not. I will plant them again for myself. They taste much better than hybrid Fourth of July I have grown, which are similar size and considered early.

[Ricky Shaw]

I'd say definitely don't trade them as Stupice. People who know and wanted the real deal, would toss them, wasting time and material.

People who don't know now misidentify Stupice. I think once you suspect something might be off, retract the seed and try to tell who you can.

[carolyn137]

Please read the following link and especially the history,thanks to Vladimir.

All are PL.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Stupice

Carolyn

[RJGlew]

http://www.tomatoville.com/showpost....&postcount=111

[JRinPA]

Okay, thanks all.

[JRinPA]

Pics of the "stupice" in question; multiple plants look similar:

[RJGlew]

Originally Posted by JRinPA

Pics of the "stupice" in question; multiple plants look similar:

Great pictures - thank you for posting.

[MrBig46]

Carolyn's right, all Stupice have a PL.

„I received some seeds marked stupice in a trade before this season“
It would be best to ask in the store from where they have the seeds and how they discovered that it is tomato Stupice.

I am interested in this seed for the 2017 season
Vladimír

[MrBig46]

I have translated it wrong:
„Multiple“ word means that not all plants have the RL?
Then it should be an F2 hybrid with some RL tomato. Correct me someone who deals with genetics? Bower?
Vladimír

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by MrBig46

I have translated it wrong:
„Multiple“ word means that not all plants have the RL?
Then it should be an F2 hybrid with some RL tomato. Correct me someone who deals with genetics? Bower?
Vladimír

Bower I'm not but I think I can help.

He said he got Stupice seeds in a trade,but didn't say how many plants he set out,so until he clarifies that I will assume he set out one plant and it was RL,not PL.

There are two ways that that could happen,one by mutation the other by accidental cross polllination.

He got seeds in a trade so I think it's very possible that what he got was cross pollinated seeds that were sent in for the trade.If so, if he had put out several plants he would have seen different plants as to leaf form and even different fruits

But if just the one plant,then OK,it was RL and could still come from X pollinated seeds.

The other possibility is that the RL came about by mutation.

Just being brief here but if

we let P and p be the genes for leaf form (alleles),and P is dominant to p,and P =RL and p = PL then

PP is homozygous dominant and is RL

Pp is heterozygous and since P is dominant to p it will be RL

pp is homozygous recessive and will be PL.

Mutations occur in the DNA of the seeds most of the time(some mutations occur in the DNA of actual cells in the plant, not seed DNA),and I won't go into the different kinds of mutations unless you want me to do so.

Hope that helps more than it confuses.

Carolyn

[JRinPA]

I have to check the three at my brother's house to make sure the count.

[JRinPA]

After harvesting a bunch of tomatoes before the rain tonight, I was looking to see if I had seeds saved from all types and found this bag for stupice seeds. This bag is the one I received from the bean swap this year as MMMM leftovers; its seeds produced the small, round, tasty globe fruits with regular leaf. The "EARLY" is my scribble from planning what to grow.

I checked up at my brother's and they were all RL as well, so all five plants from this seed bag looked the same. I hope they are true for me next year because they are pretty nice little tomato that really put out.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by JRinPA

After harvesting a bunch of tomatoes before the rain tonight, I was looking to see if I had seeds saved from all types and found this bag for stupice seeds. This bag is the one I received from the bean swap this year as MMMM leftovers; its seeds produced the small, round, tasty globe fruits with regular leaf. The "EARLY" is my scribble from planning what to grow.

I checked up at my brother's and they were all RL as well, so all five plants from this seed bag looked the same. I hope they are true for me next year because they are pretty nice little tomato that really put out.

If 6 plants were RL,then it seems to me that there's a high possibility that all the other seeds will be RL as well.

My suggestion is that you either buy new Stupice seeds or go to the WANTED seed subforum and ask if anyone has any seeds to share of true PL Stupice.

Carolyn

[Ricky Shaw]

Does a RL x PL give all regular leaf in F2, and then both RL and PL in F3, is that how that works?

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Ricky Shaw

Does a RL x PL give all regular leaf in F2, and then both RL and PL in F3, is that how that works?

RL is dominant to PL

So let RL=P and PP is homozygous dominant

So Pp is heterozygous dominant and is RL

pp is homozygous recessive and is PL

so

P P X pp gives you



Pp Pp Pp pp

Carolyn