Coustralee' & Omar Lebanese? - Page 3

**carolyn137** · August 31, 2016

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Originally Posted by Spartanburg123

Why thank you Carolyn! But I haven't named this one yet!! One thing is certain, it will have the name "Lebanese" in it!!

Usually when there is a heart version of a non heart of the same variety folks have just added the word Heart to the variety name,such as this one.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...ge_Minsk_Heart

or this one

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...e_Purple_Heart

And that b/c it isn't a new variety,just a different form of a previously known variety.

Carolyn

Dutch · August 31, 2016

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

Usually when there is a heart version of a non heart of the same variety folks have just added the word Heart to the variety name,such as this one.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...ge_Minsk_Heart

or this one

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...e_Purple_Heart

And that b/c it isn't a new variety,just a different form of a previously known variety.

Carolyn

Yep, Great examples Carolyn and thoughtful input, thanks.

I agree and I think it might helps save some confusion down the road.

Rest assured Darin, whatever it is named, you will be credited with its' discovery.

Dutch

**carolyn137** · August 31, 2016

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Originally Posted by My Foot Smells

Read Dr. Carolyn's book the other night, a very nice read and informative. The seed saving section has perked interest in saving seeds, as currently it is something I do not do; but really need to add to my list of things to do.

The heirloom descriptives with pictures caught my wife's attention, and she asked me about the Coustralee & Omar variety. IDK, I said - never have grown either, nor know anybody who has grown.

Obviously these are two very big red tomatoes (LOL), which is everyone's favorite, right?

I am zone 7b and it gets hotter than a hijackers pistol come august. The weather can be tormenting. So really can't grow things that are meek and temperamental.

tia

I don't think I'll have time today to get back to the other questions,but there's one BIG one that needs answering.

Above you said they were both large reds,but not true.

Cuostralee is red,yes, but look on page 178 of my book, and yes,Omar fruits look red,but look to the left under color and shape and you'll see

pink beefsteaks

Carolyn

Ricky Shaw · August 31, 2016

School's back in and I'm paying close attention. There will to be a pop-quiz on this material later, guaranteed.

My Foot Smells · August 31, 2016

Sorry for the incorrect label, but I often incorporate pink w/ red under same label in a general term. Even though I know they are different. Funny I never hear similar description with other colors, (light yellow, day-glo orange, tar black, etc...). Mistake was not intended, but color reference was generalized and not separated.

Most folks I know use the word red, even for the pink. Maybe it is endemic? Other than here, don't know if I have ever heard the word pink for a tomato on the local circuit - but I don't get out much either. Although I know it is a descriptive commonly used.

Do people outside of tomato affecianado's use the word "pink?"

Ricky Shaw · August 31, 2016

Do people outside of tomato affecianado's use the word "pink?" - My Foot Smells

Probably not, but for the hobbyist it's an important identifier. And especially so when you start seed saving, because you want to know if you have true seed. Pinks have clear skin, reds have a yellow skin. Most people wouldn't know that.

My Foot Smells · August 31, 2016

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Originally Posted by Ricky Shaw

Do people outside of tomato affecianado's use the word "pink?" - My Foot Smells

Probably not, but for the hobbyist it's an important identifier. And especially so when you start seed saving, because you want to know if you have true seed. Pinks have clear skin, reds have a yellow skin. Most people wouldn't know that.

I did not know that. Maybe thought it was a "pigment" thing of sorts.

slugworth · August 31, 2016

if it's supposed to be pink I know to pick it at that stage or before,so it doesn't rot on the vine.
My omar's are pink.

**Lee** · August 31, 2016

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Cuostralee ->

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Sometimes the name is misspelled 'Coustralee'.

If you want my opinion... see signature.
It is not real sweet, and it is not tart. The complex flavor combination in this variety is what makes it my favorite.

Also, not all are created equal.... I grew out cuostralee from 6-7 sources a few years back, and none came close to being as good as the one I originally sourced from Chuck Wyatt in 2002.

Lee

My Foot Smells · August 31, 2016

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Originally Posted by Lee

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Cuostralee ->

If you want my opinion... see signature.
It is not real sweet, and it is not tart. The complex flavor combination in this variety is what makes it my favorite.

Also, not all are created equal.... I grew out cuostralee from 6-7 sources a few years back, and none came close to being as good as the one I originally sourced from Chuck Wyatt in 2002.

Lee

Thank you for the tenured response. Are you suggesting there is a potential results spectrum depending on seed source?

This is where things get confusing for me if so.

**carolyn137** · August 31, 2016

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Originally Posted by My Foot Smells

Thank you for the tenured response. Are you suggesting there is a potential results spectrum depending on seed source?

This is where things get confusing for me if so.

If you're asking if all seed vendors are offering correct seeds for a variety the answer is no.

It's more complicated than that since there are different ways that seed vendors acquire seeds.

Grow their own plants so they can observe them and know what they have,save their own seeds,so unless there's been a mutation or X pollination the seeds sold represent what the variety is supposed to be

Buy seeds wholesale off the shelf

Subcontract out to some other place to grow plants and produce the seeds they send and hope for the best. Big trust factor here as to who someone will use for seed production.

And I know companies that a times can do one,two or all three of those ways to get seeds.

At the original Garden Web Tomato Forum I used to put up a thread each year asking who got wrong varieties and from where if they felt comfortable about doing that.Some did,some didn't. But then I would suggest they contact the place where they got the seeds and report it,for obvious reasons.

One lovely event was when one person did that,but when he called they had no record of his ever ordering from then.He then found the seed packets,he was wrong, a different company,and apologized to everyone.

Also a problem is when home growers sow seeds with wrong labels, also get plants with fruits,save seeds and then trade them or send seeds in for swaps,or do a seed offer with some wrong varieties..Not deliberate,but that's how wrong varieties get spread around.

EACH PERSON SHOULD KNOW THE TRAITS OF EACH VARIETY THEY INTEND TO GROW BEFORE THEY EVER SOW ONE SEED AND THAT IS POSSIBLE THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME. Q.E.D.

Carolyn

Nematode · August 31, 2016

I wouldn't bother saving seed, but will be starting because the variability in purchased seed is greater than I would like. If I get a favorite, I'd like to keep it going whatever it's called, and not spin the roulette wheel again next year.

Nematode · August 31, 2016

Carolyn, Re: the heart discussion above, how can one tell if they have a heart shaped version of an old standby or a new variety.
Just curious.

Spartanburg123 · August 31, 2016

Nematode-

Not answering for Carolyn, but the heart variant showed up from the same seed pack with 3 other Omar's Lebanese plants growing around it. I first thought stray seed- but the leaf habit was the same, the color and size was the same, and the flavor identical to the oblate Omar's around it. I showed a fruit and leaf comparison in the original thread from last year.

Nematode · August 31, 2016

Thanks Spartan!

August 31, 2016	#34
Ricky Shaw Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Zone 6a Denver North Metro Posts: 1,910	School's back in and I'm paying close attention. There will to be a pop-quiz on this material later, guaranteed.

August 31, 2016	#35
My Foot Smells Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Pulaski County, Arkansas Posts: 1,239	Sorry for the incorrect label, but I often incorporate pink w/ red under same label in a general term. Even though I know they are different. Funny I never hear similar description with other colors, (light yellow, day-glo orange, tar black, etc...). Mistake was not intended, but color reference was generalized and not separated. Most folks I know use the word red, even for the pink. Maybe it is endemic? Other than here, don't know if I have ever heard the word pink for a tomato on the local circuit - but I don't get out much either. Although I know it is a descriptive commonly used. Do people outside of tomato affecianado's use the word "pink?"

August 31, 2016	#38
slugworth Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: connecticut,usa Posts: 1,152	if it's supposed to be pink I know to pick it at that stage or before,so it doesn't rot on the vine. My omar's are pink.

August 31, 2016	#42
Nematode Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2012 Location: massachusetts Posts: 1,710	I wouldn't bother saving seed, but will be starting because the variability in purchased seed is greater than I would like. If I get a favorite, I'd like to keep it going whatever it's called, and not spin the roulette wheel again next year.

August 31, 2016	#44
Spartanburg123 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Spartanburg, SC Posts: 1,262	Nematode- Not answering for Carolyn, but the heart variant showed up from the same seed pack with 3 other Omar's Lebanese plants growing around it. I first thought stray seed- but the leaf habit was the same, the color and size was the same, and the flavor identical to the oblate Omar's around it. I showed a fruit and leaf comparison in the original thread from last year.