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Old September 20, 2016   #556
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You would almost have to have a pump in the reservoir people do do it though.
Looking into it once and forgot everything I read but it does seem they use sand filters.
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Old September 20, 2016   #557
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Default TSWV, some good images I bumped into

Indicator plants will be my new sentinels.

http://www.apsnet.org/publications/p...se75n01_78.pdf

This is a determined enemy.

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Old September 21, 2016   #558
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Default More losses to TSWV, plants and fruit.

Frankliniella occidentalis haiku

I see you and sigh
A determined enemy
Deltamethrin time.

Today I 86'd one each of Cowlick's, P Robeson, Mikhalych, Winsall, Gribovsky, Speckled Roman, Zamorano, Gallego, Elgin Pink, Pink BB and my last precious Lucky Tiger GBT3.

Most had the characteristic apical stunt and spotted leaves, with focal distribution. The younger plants were the most affected.

The back row of plants on the tube has started to hiccup, it began as BER on 100 Pudov, which I've pinned on too high a percentage of ammoniacal vs nitrate. Momotaro and Daniels don't seem to mind, Moskvich is hating life and will be culled soon.

Aside from the losses mentioned above, the latest batch of transplants is doing really well both on the tubes and in the irrigated containers. Peppers are growing quite adequately as are the cucumbers and the corn. It seems the Ambrosia corn seeds were duds so I substituted with Northern Xtra Sweet.

I've been hesitant to go the nuclear option, but after harvesting a couple of kilos of horrendous fruit, it's time. My Integrated Pest Management strategy will include 3 successive applications of DE, Deltamethrin and/or Permethrin, and Neem. After, I'll add Met52 towards the end of the lull period (when the antifungal effect of neem has dissipated) and then begin again. This time I'm gonna hit every single green thing on the property, and I'm breaking out the compressor to get the really fine mist (appropriate gear of course).

It'll hopefully mean no more acarids bothering the boys either. It's hard to keep them spotless with so many strays saying hello through the gate.

Time to die thrips...and pretty much everyone else, including some of my hepatocytes.
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Old September 21, 2016   #559
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G. Use the proper precautions. Suit up. You need those hepatocytes, sir!
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Old September 22, 2016   #560
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G. Use the proper precautions. Suit up. You need those hepatocytes, sir!
No doubt Marsha, especially after the routine with the high degree of difficulty I put them through in the second and third decade. I'm getting some gear today.
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Old September 22, 2016   #561
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Default A morbid anecdote

Most of us regard our garden time as somewhat sacrosanct, some alone time one associates with sounds and smells that are favorable. And then some of us garden in urban settings that are not quite idyllic.

I hesitate to relate this, as our city struggles with its image. It has been earned many times over.

Last week, as I was tying up a Momotaro, I heard two successive pops at a distance of approximately seven houses to the south of me, along the main street. There was a pause which allowed me to fixate my head directionally, as if I was a deer, and consider the possible caliber. Definitely not a long barrel, too much for a .22 or .380, a bit much for a 9 mm, and definitely under a .45, probably a .40 cal

All of this is going on in my head in a span of about a second, and then five more pops.

Definitely a .40 cal

I look at my cell and start the chronometer on the response, pretty decent I’ve gotta say, in 8 mins the various agencies started swarming, and the “investigations” went on for a day or two.

Who is rarely a mystery and the why even less, the will to live under the rule of law is what’s tragically absent, and it seems to be an ingrained trait.
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Old September 22, 2016   #562
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No doubt Marsha, especially after the routine with the high degree of difficulty I put them through in the second and third decade. I'm getting some gear today.
Good to hear, I am a bit of a worry wort.
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Old September 23, 2016   #563
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Lots of activity in the fall garden. A tropical storm hit Baja and it brought much needed rain. The weather belonged in the Caribbean, hot, muggy, windy.

Plants sure enjoyed it, manifested by a serious growth spurt.

Winter warriors have been moved into pots, lots of good ones.

Looking forward to Mama Alla, Maya & Sion's Airdrie Classic, Marmeladnye Krasnye, EM Champion, 0-33, Biyskaya Roza (0-4 with 3 upside down KKK's and a fielder's choice, this time I'm going yard), Bychye Serdtse, De Colgar Araña, Ramallet Algaida, Sol Gold, Mat Su Express, Sladkij Ponchik, Klein Early, Daetwyler.

I'm also giving a few hybrid peppers a shot, see if I can squeeze them in before the "cold" arrives. Olympus, Orange Star, New Ace, Big Bertha, Early Sunsation,
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Old September 24, 2016   #564
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Reverend Michael Keyes, a cool multiflora from Blane Horton.

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Corn is rising, this is Luscious se+

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Concrete Japanese Ring is starting to shape up

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Lyana in a 2 gal rootpot

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Old September 29, 2016   #565
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Default TSWV, me no likey

This is the end result, along with stunted and wilted plants. We've got a Daniel Burson in there, some Cheste and Mikhalych (the really bad ones), Macizo de Monserrat, De Colgar Papuo, 100 Pudov (last ones, plants culled to due to disease issues + terrible BER) and a lone OR Doukhobors. Culled due to TSWV a Cowlick's, a Cherokee Purple, six Gribovsky, a Macizo de Monserrat, a Daniels, and a Bumblebee.

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The good news is this past weekend I spent a day in the countryside and got to see a commercial cucumber farm, picked up lots of tips. A recent rain left this, it was much needed.

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Rise my corn, rise. Luscious se+

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Concrete Japanese ring starting to take shape

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Rosella P (bottom left) and Leningradskij Skorospely to the right, Macizo de Monserrat is struggling (back left), and Copper River seems to be doing well (back right). When the TSWV hits 'em young, they're toast.

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Koroleva and friends thriving.

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Purported Momotaro from SeedsNSuch, obviously something else.

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Finishing the 1st part of the IPM strategy this weekend. Got 'em good with 2 doses of deltamethrin/neem/DE separated by 3 days each, a third dose will be applied on Sat. Waiting for the life cycle to continue 10 more days before I hit them again with a different insecticide.

I've decided to do a sentinel/indicator area with only Nicotinia plants, as they seem to draw in the enemy. It'll be separated from the main growing area, hopefully I can switch the battleground to these guys and lessen the burden on my tomato plants.

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Old September 29, 2016   #566
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Gerardo, please can you tell us about the cucumber farmer's tips? I would love to know.
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Old September 29, 2016   #567
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I second that.
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Old September 29, 2016   #568
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Nothing too out of the ordinary. It was almost identical to this one, https://youtu.be/Pp75SDEaggk, although the place I visited they were going directly into the soil.

I was on my way to do a drop-off at a wedding when i drove right by the enclosed area. I simply drove into the farm area and started talking with the main guy on-site. At first there was serious mistrust, given the climate of insecurity/kidnappings/etc that has targeted some farmers and cattle people, but once he got a gander at the four 1020 trays in the back of my car loaded with peppers and tomatoes, his eyes lit up and I traded a Carolina Reaper and a 7-pot-Brain Strain and a few tomato plants for a quick tour before the big boss showed up.

The tips were how to grow them vertically, proper separation, weeks for staggered planting (2 wks not 3), the minutiae of the fertilizer they were using (although given the field used to be a dairy cattle holding pen, the fertilization profile is a bit different than for "virgin" soil), ventilation, and insect control.

So in short, it wasn't anything groundbreaking, just a nice general orientation on how I should be growing my own plants to mimic their operation. The main thing is to have a line coming down for it to be trained up vertically and to be really aggressive with insect control, along with indicator plants and sticky traps. Most of these things you guys already know, it was mostly for my noob cucumber edification.
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Old October 1, 2016   #569
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He's not holding a plant, just a trush at each hand. Those leaves are part of the fruit flush. There are two varieties one at each hand. They are usually picked at the stage of the one at his left hand, or slightly more ripe.

Now that I've grown quite a few 100 en pom de la Ribera and look at the picture, I'm afraid to say it's not that one At least I'm getting something else from that variety (and I got the seeds from the man in the picture). I'm getting nipples and no ribs.
So what are the varieties the man is holding?
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Old October 1, 2016   #570
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So what are the varieties the man is holding?
Very long thread but I know you are referring to this picture

http://tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=34658&page=4

Post 47 and discussion that followed, but I don't know what post Ilex posted that you are quoting from since I have Ribera seeds,out for seed production this past summer,one here at home was a bust as were the majority of others that Freda was growing for me.

And Ilex,I would like to know if my seed producers,including Gerardo, do or do not have Ribera.

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