Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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August 7, 2014 | #19 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Den of Drunken Fools
Posts: 38,539
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How can I let this pass without putting in my 2 cents worth.
The first question that started all of this was about heirloom tomatoes. You asked, how could they allow a tomato to be called an heirloom when it isn't? Who is or are they? No one, 'There isn't any group or government entity that regulates this. Therefor there is no law and so no fraud so we have no heirloom police. There is no set standard for what an heirloom is only a generalization as to what it should be with many opinions. You cant have laws regulating opinions and generalization. As for hybrid and GMO, they are two totally different things. A hybrid is bred between two or more different varieties and a GMO is developed in the lab. With this I could see a GMO being called an heirloom if it had genes inserted into it to kill horn worms. It could be called an improved heirloom. I could see a hybrid being called an heirloom if it had been around for 50 years or more, (which many have). So with that said just because something is called an heirloom doesn't mean it is open pollinated. People think it is and it should be but there is no law regarding this. An open pollinated plant is what we expect to save seeds from and get the same thing in return on the next planting. So your honor I respectfully asked that the case be dismissed. Next case. Hoopla over organics. What the law states and what the buyer expects are two different things. The buyer expects his or her produce to be pesticide free and grown in an environment with no chemicals. The organic buyer expects the produce to be simply grown with as little if not any outside influence. But that is impossible as the world is made up of chemicals. They are all around us. Then there are the pathogens and worm eggs found in manure that gets put on crops. I personally dont want to eat raw spinach that has had hog flop on it or around it ever. I think there should be a big sign up at the entrance to farmers markets. With a paper to sign before folks come in. It should explain what organic is and what can be used on the crops. Then they sign a paper stating they wont aggravate the sellers by asking them what they use to grow the produce. There is no way I could sit there an get crass examined buy these folks. For entertainment this is how it would go. Self righteous buyer, "So what do you use on your tomato plants that you are calling organic. Me, "BT as a method ti kill worms". Buyer, "So you aren't growing organically". Me, "BT is organic". Buyer, "I dont want to buy anything that has had chemicals on it". Me, "So before you leave let me ask you about your cell phone". Did you know that the chemicals used to make your phone end up in the rivers and oceans only to pollute the rest of the world. So your telling me since you are rich enough to buy organic produce and drink filtered water. You dont care how the poor in the USA or other countries live as long as you have your phone. You recycle your electronics being the good little person you are only to have the stuff end up in a third world country to pollute there. You live in a gated community and send your kids to a private school sheltering yourself from the rest of the worlds problems. But yet you have the gall to ridicule me for using BT on my tomatoes. Look I'm not downing anyone here it is just an exercise in reality. I have tried to go to these so called events and I just cant stand it. The hypocrisy is just too much for me. Worth |
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