Off-types so far (2010)

[Tania]

70% of tomatoes planted and many already got to true leaf stage, so I can do the 1st 'check':

Off-types found so far:

• Hillbilly Potato Leaf - 2 RL seedlings out of 6 (SSE member)
• Fritz Ackerman - all RL (was listed as PL) (SSE member)
• Brandywine (commercial) - 1 RL out of 4 seedlings
• NAR - 1 PL and 1 RL, only 2/15 seeds germinated - 2006 trade.
• Stick - 4 off-type seedlings out of 6 (trade/SSE member)
• Black Pear - 1 RL out of 15 (commercial)
• Burcham's New Generation (commercial) - all 8 seedlings are PL, although they should have been RL, according to many SSE members listed this variety at SSE Yearbook. The commercial source I bought the seeds from does not indicate leaf type.
• Black Brandywine - 100% RL (commercial)
• Jeff Davis - 1 RL and 2 PLs (SSE member)
• Gerig - 1 seedling only, RL (should have been PL) (commercial seed via a trade)
• Black Elephant - all RL, should be PL (trade)

I am growing 209 new to me varieties this year, out of which 25 should be PL. 6 PL varieties show some degree of crossing - 28% (I have excluded Fritz Ackerman, which we concluded in the other thread that PL version is extinct). Most of these crossed seeds are commercial seeds. 1 PL variety have not got true leaves yet, so the experiment still continues.

Edited on Feb 26 and Mar 8 to add more off-types (Jeff Davis, Black Brandywine, Black Pear) and updated %s

Edited on Mar 13 to add another off-type (Gerig) and updated %s

Edited on Mar 14 to add another off-type (Black Elephant) and updated %s

[mtbigfish]

Tania
And that is out of how many varieties? pretty good huh?

Dennis

[TZ-OH6]

But there is no way at this point to tell how many of the RLs showing RL leaves are crossed.

[Lee]

Stick - 4 off-type seedlings out of 6 (trade/SSE member)

Let me know if you need replacement seeds for this variety. I've grown it
for 2~3 years and have only gotten true to type seedlings.

Lee

[Tania]

Originally Posted by mtbigfish

Tania
And that is out of how many varieties? pretty good huh?

Dennis

Originally Posted by TZ-OH6

But there is no way at this point to tell how many of the RLs showing RL leaves are crossed.

I'll count how many PL varieties I planted, but out of all PLs I'd say this is looking pretty good so far

But, as TZ_OH6 says, I do not know yet how many RLs will not grow true to type yet - we'll see!

The bottom line is the season has begun, and it will be very exciting to watch the new varieties grow and produce

Tania

[Tania]

Originally Posted by Lee

Let me know if you need replacement seeds for this variety. I've grown it
for 2~3 years and have only gotten true to type seedlings.

Lee

Lee,

Thank you so much for the offer - but I think I should be good with the two seedlings that show very typical foliage for Stick. I also kept one regular leaf off-type just to see what this may be (my normal curiosity)

I am most disappointed with Fritz Ackerman - I thought I had the original PL, but obviously I did not. Well... folks say that the RL version is great tasting, so I should be happy at the harvest time.

Tania

[ddsack]

Tania, the three or four times I've grown Stick, I've gotten about 20% regular RL off types every year, both with the original trade seeds and with my own saved seeds. I did save one of the normals one year, and it was bad! Fruit was the same size and shape as Stick's, same uninspiring blah flavor without the novelty of the curly leaves. But who knows what you will get?

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Tania

Lee,

Thank you so much for the offer - but I think I should be good with the two seedlings that show very typical foliage for Stick. I also kept one regular leaf off-type just to see what this may be (my normal curiosity)

I am most disappointed with Fritz Ackerman - I thought I had the original PL, but obviously I did not. Well... folks say that the RL version a great tasting, so I should be happy at the harvest time.

Tania

Tania, you just posted in the Fritz Ackerman thread here on the first page now and I posted right after you with some background and my thoughts about that variety

[Tania]

Originally Posted by ddsack

Tania, the three or four times I've grown Stick, I've gotten about 20% regular RL off types every year, both with the original trade seeds and with my own saved seeds. I did save one of the normals one year, and it was bad! Fruit was the same size and shape as Stick's, same uninspiring blah flavor without the novelty of the curly leaves. But who knows what you will get?

Dee,

I think I will discard the 'normal' one then

Is it possible that Stick may still be not stable?

Tania

[Tania]

Well... I just discovered another off-type in one of my seedling trays:

Burcham's New Generation (commercial seed) - all 8 seedlings are PL, although they should have been RL, according to many SSE members listed this variety in SSE Yearbooks. The commercial source I bought the seeds from does not indicate leaf type.

So mixups and crosses do happen indeed. I am hoping something good comes out from the PL Burcham

Tania

[dice]

All of my Stick seedlings were "true Stick" last year
(seems stable).

I used to think it would be good for containers, because
the extremely sparse foliage would not require much
water, but on second thought it could have serious
sunscald problems.

[Tania]

Originally Posted by mtbigfish

Tania
And that is out of how many varieties? pretty good huh?

Dennis

Finally got my statistics, as promised -

I am growing 209 new to me varieties this year, out of which 25 should be PL. Only 4 PL ones (excluding Fritz Ackerman which we concluded in the other thread that PL version does not exist anymore) show some degree of crossing - this is 16%, and 75% of which are commercial seeds. Quite high, I'd say.

4 PL varieties have not got true leaves yet, so the jury will be out in a couple of weeks on the remaining PLs.

Tania

[nctomatoman]

Burcham's is indeed RL - I grew it out many years ago, got it from the OS to the SSE. So goodness knows what you have there!

And who knows what Black BW is supposed to be - the first year they sold it from TGS I got a 50/50 mix of Pl and RL. the PL was pretty good, and RL was awful.

[Tania]

Originally Posted by nctomatoman

Burcham's is indeed RL - I grew it out many years ago, got it from the OS to the SSE. So goodness knows what you have there!

Craig,

Thank you so much for confirming! - I just ordered the RL seeds from the SSE Yearbook.

Tania

[Tania]

Well, another off-type/cross was discovered today among my Jeff Davis seedlings. 1 RL out of 3 seedlings.

... 20% of new to me PL varieties show some degree of crossing...