Germination/Updates(2012); My Seed Offer

[cornbreadlouie]

Carolyn, can you give me a number of how many pink currant & Cuore del Drago seeds you'd like me to send once I've got some more ripe ones?

I gutted a couple pink currants today and got about 20 seeds, and I've got another dragon fruit starting to blush.

Should have plenty of seeds in a month or less, I'm thinking.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by cornbreadlouie

Carolyn, can you give me a number of how many pink currant & Cuore del Drago seeds you'd like me to send once I've got some more ripe ones?

I gutted a couple pink currants today and got about 20 seeds, and I've got another dragon fruit starting to blush.

Should have plenty of seeds in a month or less, I'm thinking.

With the pink currant one the best way to save seeds, b'c currants are very seed, is to just smush them up before processing the seeds,preferably by fermentation, or to manually pop them with your hands. THey do make a nive poppingnoise when you do that.

There are four of you who offered to grow pink currant for me and Nancy Ruhl, who also got these seeds from Ted, has offered some seeds as well. I still have to do what I said I'd do and that's to ask Ted what he wants to name it before any seeds are shared with anyone.

How many seeds? I was hoping to SSE list as well as offer seeds in my next seed offer here, so that would mean maybe 100 seeds from each of you, or even more.

When I save seeds from something like Sara's Galapagos, for instance, it's no problem for me to save several hundreds of seeds with just one fermentation.

For the Dragon one, I ran out of seeds for that one with my seed offer, and didn't ask any of the guys who help me with seed production to regrow it this summer, so I'd be happy with just 40-50 seeds and I know it's kind of a paste type with few seeds since I have grown it so by using just 4-5 fruits, depending on the seed count/fruit, that should equal the # I'm looking for.

Makes sense?

[carolyn137]

Just updating the situation with the pink currant seeds. First, I still have to contact Ted so he can name it, and second I haven't checked with the others who are growing the pink currant to find out about their results.

I need to find my notebook that hss the list of names who I sent seeds to for both the pink currant and Joe's Pink Oxheart and will do that when the Olympic tennis is over, since many of you know I'm a huge tennis fan, and on top of that I'm so behind with E-mails that it borders on the tragic and have to get a book read , like ASAP, or the person who lent it to me will be MAD.

And in a couple of weeks I will put up that final thread about performance of the varieties I offered in my seed offer to see if the seeds were true as well as finding out how folks liked the varieties they received from me.

[Jayc]

Picked my first Pink Currant today, pink clear skin, looking forward to more

It will be cool when it officially has a name.

[lakelady]

My Lucinda looks exactly like Silvery Fir Tree which I grew indoors this winter. It ended up never leaving the pot, but spilling out onto the ground and the branches have rooted there too but I do have a couple of small fruits on it, so I'm looking forward to it! I used all the seeds in the initial sowing, so if I like the taste after trying these, I may sow a few for indoors this winter again. Such a pretty little plant!

[lakelady]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

I was curious as to what had been reported to date so went back to see if anyone else had reported on the varieties you mentioned.

Post #9 reporting on the beautiful foliage of Lucinda. I grew Lucinda here at home and it's not a Dwarf and I don't even have any Dwarf seeds here at home.

Post #12 reporting on kitten desctruction where Hoy seeds were sowed.

The seeds for the varieties you mentioned are all 2011 seeds and I had two seed sources for Hoy, so as more folks report we shall see what others got with the same varieties you had.

There were over 100 participants and if we assume, as I am, that half are below the Mason-Dixon line and half above then the former have already sowed seeds so with about 10 reports to date I'm missing about 40 more reports.

I don't know if I ever did post an update on Lucinda, but I went back to the original envelope and found one lone seed stuck in the corner....so I planted it, and it grew into exactly what it should be and is doing very nicely out in a pot in the garden as noted above! I just love the beautiful foliage of it, so I'm really enjoying looking at it daily. Now I am waiting for fruit to ripen so I can taste it!! All is good with Lucinda now!

[delltraveller]

I've picked a couple of fruits from Zolotoy Zapas, round, gold, approaching the size of a baseball. These are the fruits that set earlier. The newer fruit setting have nippled blossom ends, which the earlier fruits lacked. The skin seems thick, but I haven't cut the fruit yet.

My Lucinda has nice carrot-type foliage and small striped oblate fruits still in the green stage; one with BER ripened to green striped gold. That fruit wasn't suitable for tasting. I'm also growing Silvery Fir Tree. The Lucinda, growing in the same sized container and same batch of potting soil, is a larger plant and ripening later than the Silvery Fir Tree.

The Blush plant has elongated pointy striped fruits. One is beginning to turn color. The shape reminds me of those decorative light bulbs designed to look like a flame.

Natalie has fat slightly elongated blocky fruit with a bit of a point, starting to ripen to a pinkish color. The fruit comes in clusters. I've got a cluster of three but in ideal conditions it looks like you could get up to seven in a cluster.

[delltraveller]

Here's a scanned picture of the cluster of tomatoes from Natalie. The ripening color became much more scarlet after looking pink originally.

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[Mandy97]

Originally Posted by delltraveller

I've picked a couple of fruits from Zolotoy Zapas, round, gold, approaching the size of a baseball.

My Zolotoy Zapas tomatoes look more round too. Some of the newer ones are a little more long than just round. I assume the heat may have impacted that. I did enjoy them though - and they are a pretty color. I've only gotten three off the plant, but there are plenty of green ones still coming.

Mandy

[JLJ_]

Sorry I didn't get this posted sooner -- did collect the data, just had some family health issues and garden forums have been bumped off the schedule for some months.

I planted all seeds in 16 oz plastic cups with holes in the bottom, bottom third with potting soil, middle third with well moist sphagnum peat, top third filled as seedling grew, lights right above the cup tops. Continued caring for non-sprouting seed containers until late May to give them every chance to show up.

Generally I thought the seeds all germinated reasonably well except for the Indian Stripe, which was the only one I *really* . . .

Granny's Heart is looking nice, though.

Of the baby plants, the Black Cherry and the Indian Stripe Potato Leaf. didn't have any survivors that made it to the garden -- none of the others has produced ripe fruit yet, but they're all trying -- will hopefully be able to post about them in your results thread presently.

Black Cherry 2007: 2/2 - 6 seeds, 3 germ; 4/13 - 6 seeds 3 germ.
TOTAL 12 seeds 50% germination

Granny's Heart 2011: 2/2 3 seeds, 2 germ; 4/11 3 seeds 0 germ.
TOTAL 6 seeds 33% germination

Indian Stripe Potato Leaf 2011: 2/2 3 seeds, 2 germ; 4/11 3 seeds, 1 germ.
TOTAL 6 seeds 50% germination

Indian Stripe 2011: 2/2 3 seeds, 0 germ; 2/19 2 seeds; 0 germ. 4/11 2 seeds, 0 germ.
TOTAL: 7 seeds -- 0% germination

Note: Looked through the thread and only saw two other reports on Indian Stripe 2011
post #71 Indian Stripe (2011) 3/5 and
post #115/131 Indian Stripe 2011 6 sown on 4/6, 1 emerged on 4/12 . . . 1 sown, emerged 4/26. Potted up 5/28. Total: 2/7


Also, reading over this thread, I noticed that you commented several times about whether all seeds were sown. Where you sent about a half dozen, I sowed all, in at least two different plantings. Where you sent extras to allow for possible germination problems, I aimed for about a half dozen plants, sowing more if initial attempt didn't produce enough. The only place that didn't work out was with Black Cherry, by the time it was clear that the six of twelve that germinated wouldn't make it, it was to late to resow again, so I still have some seed -- will try them again next year.



And the seeds you sent for Mom . . .

Green Doctors 2010 2/2 4 seeds, 3 germ
TOTAL 4 seeds 75% germination

Dr Carolyn Pink 2004 2/2 6 seeds, 1 germ; 2/19 8 seeds 3 germ; 4/13 6 seeds 3 germ.
TOTAL 20 seeds 7/20 = 35% germination

Dr Carolyn 2007 2/2 6 seeds 5 germ.
TOTAL 6 seeds 83% germination


Just for context, the other tomato seeds sown same time, location and care conditions:

Early Girl 6 seeds 83% germination
Marglobe 20 seeds 75% germination
4th of July 6 seeds 100% germination
SuperSweet 100 6 seeds 66% germination
Costoluto Genovese 16 seeds 31% germination
Nile River Egyptian 10 seeds 100% germination
Russo Sicilian Togeta 10 seeds 80% germination
Zapotec 7 seeds 42% germination

Of these, Costoluto Genovese and Zapotec didn't make it to the garden.

I had some problems with aphids on my seedlings this year -- which I have never had before. They primarily were on the baby peppers -- rarely saw any on tomato seedlings. When I saw them on any seedlings I pursued them with blue tape and rinses -- and appeared to be able to control them . . . but still suspect that they may have played a role in the healthy baby plants that died -- it wasn't damping off -- something later than that.

JLJ

[nj07077]

Hi Carolyn my name is nathan and I live in Michigan I am interested in your tomato seeds for sowing next year> I have never grown any of the varieties you are offering please tell me how I can participate in your seed sowing and germination results thank you!

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by nj07077

Hi Carolyn my name is nathan and I live in Michigan I am interested in your tomato seeds for sowing next year> I have never grown any of the varieties you are offering please tell me how I can participate in your seed sowing and germination results thank you!

Nathan, I'm one of many who makes seed offers here at Tville and if you go to the two Seed Exchange Forums look in the WANTED and Trades subforums for them. I post mine in the TRADES Forum since that's where many of the offers go where offers are NOT associated with wanting trades for offers sent.

It's true that I think I probably offer more new to all or most folks since I started doing that after I fell in Dec of 2004 and severed all four quads in my right leg , have had to use a walker since then so could no longer put out the several hundreds of plants and varieties that I used to each year.

http://tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=20848

Above is a link to my most recent offer in early Jan so you can see what it's all about. I do ask for my seed offer that ALL participants post in a Germination thread and then again in a Fall performance thread, which is also on the first page of the General Discussion Forum right now.

the reasons for both feedback threads have been given recently, again, in the germination thread you just posted in.

I hope to make another offer, if I do it will be sometime in early Jan of 2013, and if I do there will be many changes as to how I do that one. And there won't be that many varieties in seeds produced for 2011 list since I was wiped out of many of those varieties. And right now I have little to no idea of what my 2012 ones might be since the feedback from those who do seed production for me has been sparse since they're very busy at this time of the year.

But you can read the perfomance thread to see what some of them turned out to be like and also read at Tania's wonderful tomato data base for many of all ages as well and here's the link to her website:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Main_Page

At her site if you know the name of a variety it's easiest to use the link for the alphabetical method of searching, just scroll down on the HOme page, but there are many other ways of searching for tomatoes as well.

There's one page for each variety, with the traits of the variety, usually pictures, comments from others and if you scroll down histories where known and also seed sources.

I hope that helps.

[ginger2778]

Here are my germination results. I have also loaded pictures of my seedling started on Sept 9, and today is the 21st.
Vince P1 - 8 sowed, 6 germinated, 75% all look healthy
Indian Stripe X Possibly Daniels-10 sowed, 3 germinated, 30% 2 look healthy, one was a helmet head that I couldn't get off with spit or water soak
Granny's heart 5 sowed, 1 germinated, 20% It looks very healthy
Fish Lake oxheart -5 sowed, 2 germinated 40% One was weak and died, other is very vigorous
Ambrosia -10 sowed, 0 germinated 0%

Carolyn, from this thread, only 4 of us had Ambrosia, and 3 of us got 0 germination, only 1 got 4 to germinate, is the seed really OK?
As you can see from the photos, most of all of my seeds this year germinated pretty well, I used Craig's dense planting video technique.


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[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by ginger2778

Here are my germination results. I have also loaded pictures of my seedling started on Sept 9, and today is the 21st.
Vince P1 - 8 sowed, 6 germinated, 75% all look healthy
Indian Stripe X Possibly Daniels-10 sowed, 3 germinated, 30% 2 look healthy, one was a helmet head that I couldn't get off with spit or water soak
Granny's heart 5 sowed, 1 germinated, 20% It looks very healthy
Fish Lake oxheart -5 sowed, 2 germinated 40% One was weak and died, other is very vigorous
Ambrosia -10 sowed, 0 germinated 0%

Carolyn, from this thread, only 4 of us had Ambrosia, and 3 of us got 0 germination, only 1 got 4 to germinate, is the seed really OK?
As you can see from the photos, most of all of my seeds this year germinated pretty well, I used Craig's dense planting video technique.


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All I can say is that the same person who did seed production for Vince P1 where almost everyone got great germination, also did the seed production for Ambrosia as well.

What I'm interested in is what color fruit you'll be getting for Ambrosia b'c Craig and I got orange/gold and Lee got red, not the Lee who bred it and he said that he was going to look into it, thought he knew what had happened and I think he ended up offering gold/orange, red and pink selections of Ambrosia but I should have checked that first.

[ginger2778]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

All I can say is that the same person who did seed production for Vince P1 where almost everyone got great germination, also did the seed production for Ambrosia as well.

What I'm interested in is what color fruit you'll be getting for Ambrosia b'c Craig and I got orange/gold and Lee got red, not the Lee who bred it and he said that he was going to look into it, thought he knew what had happened and I think he ended up offering gold/orange, red and pink selections of Ambrosia but I should have checked that first.

Trouble is Carolyn, I and 2 others didn't get any germination for it, so I won't know what color fruit.
Only one person out of the 4 who answered this thread got any germination at all.
It's sad, I really wanted to try it.
-Marsha