Heirloom Alternative Grow Method to Dwarf Tomatoes?

[amideutch]

My concern with Bushmaster was not the ingredients but the fruit drop caused by the product.

Propylene glycol, also called 1,2-propanediol or propane-1,2-diol, is an organic compound (a diol or double alcohol) with formula C3H8O2 or HO-CH2-CHOH-CH3. It is a colorless, nearly odorless, clear, viscous liquid with a faintly sweet taste, hygroscopic and miscible with water, acetone, and chloroform.

Glycine (abbreviated as Gly or G)[3] is an organic compound with the formula NH2CH2COOH. With only two hydrogen atoms as its 'side chain', glycine is the smallest of the 20 amino acids commonly found in proteins. Its codons are GGU, GGC, GGA, GGG.

Phosphoric acid, also known as orthophosphoric acid or phosphoric(V) acid, is a mineral (inorganic) acid having the chemical formula H3PO4.

We all know what kelp extract is which is the forth ingredient. As you can see the Propylene glycol and glycine are organic compounds. Ami

[rnewste]

Thanks for the chemical analysis, Ami. My main dictate is to "Do no harm".

As I am growing 3 Goose Creek in InnTainers #1, #2, and #3, I *may* trial it on 'Tainer #3 to observe what effect it has on a tomato plant. If I do indeed apply it, I do not intend to consume those tomatoes from this plant. I simply want to see what type of growth pattern develops.



BTW, my son used it on a San Marzano plant in his store as a demo with no fruit drop, he claims.

Raybo

[amideutch]

Raybo, I would have no problem eating tomatoes off a plant that was treated with Bushmaster. There are no bad actors in the ingredients of the product. By all means do the test that you mentioned. Ami

[carolyn137]

I can add only a little.

My commercial farmer friends routinely spray stuff that dwarfs flowering bedding plants and causes them to flower prematurely, and that so they look pretty in 6-packs for increased sales.

But most folks don't know that you have to take off those early blossoms or the plants won't grow normally and won't put out many more blossoms.

I don't know the specific products they use so can't help that way.

There are always a couple of ways to define the word "organic", and strictly speaking it's any compound or molecule that has carbon atoms, which is to me, at least, is a very restrictive way at interpreting what is organic. And I think they're using the term organic in such a restrictive manner.

When it comes to growing edibles I know that I wouldn't spray anything with the ingredients in that Bush product, save the kelp ingredient. If I missed it in any of the above posts, what data is available that speaks to such treatment and blossom formation with tomatoes in addition to the dwarfing aspect of the product?

[rnewste]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

When it comes to growing edibles I know that I wouldn't spray anything with the ingredients in that Bush product, save the kelp ingredient. If I missed it in any of the above posts, what data is available that speaks to such treatment and blossom formation with tomatoes in addition to the dwarfing aspect of the product?

Hi Carolyn,

No anecdotal "evidence" that Bushmaster has an effect on tomato production. I was just pondering if there was a way to "dwarf-down" Heirlooms like a Brandywine to grow indoors during the Winter, that would max out at about 4 feet in height. The Bushmaster product causes this plant behavior in other "cash crops" apparently. I was just hoping it would be a safe treatment to also apply to tomato plants. From all the excellent feedback here, it is probably a product that shouldn't be used on edible vegetable plants, as you suggest Carolyn. I'll follow your advice.

Raybo (who is anxiously awaiting REAL Dwarf plant seeds for next September indoor planting - hint....hint......)

[carolyn137]

If that hint hint was for me, forget it b'c I don't have any. I''m not a participant in the Dwarf Project but Craig sent me 5 plants two years ago and I was very impressed with Summertime Gold and Summertime Green and Wild Fred, but saved no seeds.

Now that I think of it I did grow Victorian Dwarf many many years ago and no doubt have the seeds around here, probably close to 20 years old now, even if I could find them.

[rnewste]

Carolyn,

No, that "hint" was not meant for you. I am hoping Craig / Lee may read this Thread and will sample me a few Dwarf plants to grow out next Winter. I think I'll tug on their heart-strings that these Dwarf seeds will save me from poisoning myself from applying Propylene Glycol.

Come to think of it, I now have both a Winter S.H. as well as the Summer N.H. grow environment for two crops per Year - - all self-contained without having to worry about shipping seeds back and forth.

Think they will buy that argument??

Raybo

[amideutch]

When it comes to growing edibles I know that I wouldn't spray anything with the ingredients in that Bush product, save the kelp ingredient

Much to your surprise you have consumed or applied all three ingredients of Bushmaster to your body.

Propylene Glycol; Uses include use as a surfactants in agriculture. Also as a ingredient in doedorant sticks, medicines, cosmetics, foods, toothpaste, shampoo and mouthwash to name a few.

Glycine; used in pet foods, animal feeds, food supplements, protein drinks and in drug formulations to improve gastric absorption.

Phosphoric acid; uses include inorganic fertilizers and soft drinks. You drink Coke or Pepsi, yep it's in both as well.

Yet you do spray a product on edibles that is;

USEPA Cat 1 Eye irritant.
USEPA Cat 2 Moderately toxic if inhaled.
Group B2 Probable human carcinogen
Highly toxic to fish and aquatic invertebrate's.

[rnewste]

Ami,

That is quite interesting. Thanks.

What is the (mystery) product that you refer to at the end of your post that contains the bad stuff you reference?

Raybo

[amideutch]

The mystery product is Daconil. Ami

[Worth1]

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by amideutch

Much to your surprise you have consumed or applied all three ingredients of Bushmaster to your body.

Propylene Glycol; Uses include use as a surfactants in agriculture. Also as a ingredient in doedorant sticks, medicines, cosmetics, foods, toothpaste, shampoo and mouthwash to name a few.

Glycine; used in pet foods, animal feeds, food supplements, protein drinks and in drug formulations to improve gastric absorption.

Phosphoric acid; uses include inorganic fertilizers and soft drinks. You drink Coke or Pepsi, yep it's in both as well.

Yet you do spray a product on edibles that is;

USEPA Cat 1 Eye irritant.
USEPA Cat 2 Moderately toxic if inhaled.
Group B2 Probable human carcinogen
Highly toxic to fish and aquatic invertebrate's.

All I can say, well not all I can say, is that I stopped using Daconil when I moved up here in 1999 but did use it two years ago when threatened with Late Blight.

other than that I don't eat my body, at least last time I knew and I don't take any MAJOR pills dependent on gastric absorption since I switched to pen insulin two years ago, and I don't have a big problem with phosphoric acid depending on what the concentration is.

I also think that the word organic should refer not just to compounds/molecules that have carbon atoms, rather, that something labelled organic should be naturally derived and not artifically synthesized and should preferably have OMRI approval.

But that's just me.

[Mark0820]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

My commercial farmer friends routinely spray stuff that dwarfs flowering bedding plants and causes them to flower prematurely, and that so they look pretty in 6-packs for increased sales.

But most folks don't know that you have to take off those early blossoms or the plants won't grow normally and won't put out many more blossoms.

That's interesting! I always wondered what commercial growers did to make bedding plants flower at such an early stage. I grow most of my bedding flowers from seed, so I knew it wasn't a natural process. Now I know.

[Worth1]

Aw what the who it is just like fat free candy that is 100% sugar.
And Vine ripened tomatoes that are on the trusses at the store.They dont say that they are pulled green and gassed on the truss to make them turn red.

So it is with the organic thing people are into.
That was my point about gasoline and oil.
When people take advantage of a term let the buyer beware which is sad.

Worth

[MJACTIVIST]

Hey Ray I've used it. And most of the products made by Evidently Emerald Triangle. They are a hype Co. that got big with their Stacker or Purple Max http://www.igrowhydro.com/Purple-Maxx-8-oz.aspx whatever they call it now. Its specifically designed for another industry, like ray said. And people started buying it b/c it will change the color of that crop. Its BS! Careful Ray.
But, BUshmaster did do what it says, it will keep your plants shorter. But, for some reason my tomatoes from that crop were very bland. And clones from the same plant that didn't receive Bushmaster weren't nearly as bland. I won’t use their products again.
L8
MJ