Black cherry tomatoes - ( sweet or horrible ) ? - Page 2

**carolyn137** · February 10, 2006

Andrey, You seem to have the same link I have concerning the four different Stupikes. The one I said I didn't want to look for in my faves. LOL

I thought they had numbers but now when I see what you cut and pasted I do remember that they were given extra strain names.

No, if from the 50's they wouldn't be considered commercial heirlooms, by those of us who have set about 1940 as the cut off date.

There are also those who maintain if a variety has been grown for 50 years it's an heirloom, which makes it a moving target.

That is, in 2005 it's not an heirloom and in 2006 the 50 years has passed and it's now an heirloom.

Carolyn

markferon · February 10, 2006

In the matter of tomato taste. In the case of any tomato variety you will get good ones, bad ones, sweet sour, bland and ones that just taste yuck. These taste experiences can happen in the same variety and the same plant. This not counting others peoples opinions of a cut single fruit. Taste may be important to some but we all do not like the same tomato flavor components in the same amounts. Taste and smell are the most fickle of all the senses. As for food
I think the term flavor is better since it encompass taste smell and opinion of person doing the eating.

travis · February 10, 2006

OMG ... I've been a stupik heirloom for 8 years now

PV

bcday · February 10, 2006

Stupicke rane polni --

polni = field

So it's an early variety for the field, or for the open soil as some catalogs say.

dokutaaguriin · February 10, 2006

So which Stupice would be in circulation here in North America?
Jeff

**carolyn137** · February 10, 2006

Jeff, I can try to find the commercial pack that Reinhard sent me from Germany b'c as I understand it there's only one of the Stupike's that's widely circulated.

But don't bet on my finding that pack soon b'c SSE requests are coming in and my weekend agenda is to get those seeds organized and the Olympic Opening is tonight so for two weeks I've got some quality TV watching to do as well.

Carolyn

dokutaaguriin · February 10, 2006

No Rush....with Olympics on I completely understand.
Thanks.
Jeff

Andrey_BY · February 12, 2006

Thanks, now I see polni is from pole=field.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcday

Stupicke rane polni --

polni = field

So it's an early variety for the field, or for the open soil as some catalogs say.

Earl · February 20, 2006

Black Cherry is great. If you enjoy cherry types and don't grow it, it you're lose. :-)

bully · February 21, 2006

same seeds same plants...at Duane's house..great!

My house..so so.

Kathy_Wa · February 21, 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrey_BY

There are 4 Czech varieties with Stupicke as a core name (first 2 for outside and last 2 for inside glasshouse):

Stupicke rane (can be translated as Stupicke Early)
Stupicke rane polni (Stupicke Early - sorry, can't translate "polni")
Stupicke rane sklenikove (Stupicke Early for glasshouse)
Stupicke sklenikove (Stupicke for glasshouse)

They were bred in 70s by Research and Plant Breeding Institute of Vegetables at Olomouc, PBS 691 42 Valtice, Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic), well-known for their huge Allium collection, with the help of CSK Breeding Station Stupice.

All these varieties you can find in collection of one Czech genebank: http://genbank.vurv.cz/genetic/resou...tum_MILL.&sub=

I couldn't (easily) get the czeck genebank link to work. But, what are the odds of someone in America getting all 4 of those Stupice varieties for growout? Do they allow seeds to anyone at all? I would LOVE to grow out all 4, alongside the one I currently maintain!

(Sorry, further Black Cherry thread "hijack").

creister · February 22, 2006

Tasted great last year and saved the seeds, hopefully there was no cross pollination.

RunningRiot · February 24, 2006

I grew Black Cherry last year for the first time, from seeds traded through another forum. I'm guessing my source's seeds came from TGS, as these tomatoes were very tasty.

They were offered in a community tomato tasting, along with over 40 other varieties (all OP or heirloom), and were rated very highly by visitors. I think their appearance was a big part of the appeal.

I saved seed (bagged blossoms), and am happy to share.
Susan

February 22, 2006	#27
creister Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Abilene, TX zone 7 Posts: 1,478	Black Cherry Tasted great last year and saved the seeds, hopefully there was no cross pollination.

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February 10, 2006	#16
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Andrey, You seem to have the same link I have concerning the four different Stupikes. The one I said I didn't want to look for in my faves. LOL I thought they had numbers but now when I see what you cut and pasted I do remember that they were given extra strain names. No, if from the 50's they wouldn't be considered commercial heirlooms, by those of us who have set about 1940 as the cut off date. There are also those who maintain if a variety has been grown for 50 years it's an heirloom, which makes it a moving target. That is, in 2005 it's not an heirloom and in 2006 the 50 years has passed and it's now an heirloom. Carolyn

February 10, 2006	#17
markferon Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 68	In the matter of tomato taste. In the case of any tomato variety you will get good ones, bad ones, sweet sour, bland and ones that just taste yuck. These taste experiences can happen in the same variety and the same plant. This not counting others peoples opinions of a cut single fruit. Taste may be important to some but we all do not like the same tomato flavor components in the same amounts. Taste and smell are the most fickle of all the senses. As for food I think the term flavor is better since it encompass taste smell and opinion of person doing the eating.

February 10, 2006	#18
travis Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 2,984	OMG ... I've been a stupik heirloom for 8 years now PV

February 10, 2006	#19
bcday Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NY z5 Posts: 1,205	Stupicke rane polni -- polni = field So it's an early variety for the field, or for the open soil as some catalogs say.

February 10, 2006	#20
dokutaaguriin Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Alberta, Canada Z3a Posts: 905	So which Stupice would be in circulation here in North America? Jeff

February 20, 2006	#24
Earl Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 1,278	Black Cherry is great. If you enjoy cherry types and don't grow it, it you're lose. :-)

February 21, 2006	#25
bully Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: S.E. MI Posts: 794	same seeds same plants...at Duane's house..great! My house..so so.

February 24, 2006	#28
RunningRiot Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 5	I grew Black Cherry last year for the first time, from seeds traded through another forum. I'm guessing my source's seeds came from TGS, as these tomatoes were very tasty. They were offered in a community tomato tasting, along with over 40 other varieties (all OP or heirloom), and were rated very highly by visitors. I think their appearance was a big part of the appeal. I saved seed (bagged blossoms), and am happy to share. Susan