Have you tried Dr. Lyle? - Page 2

korney19 · August 26, 2006

Genetically speaking, are you saying that it has the white flower gene (wf) or no? or maybe?

I've grown Dr. Lyle 2 or 3 times from that many different sources including "respected SSE members" you may have talked about in the past, both US & Canada. On all occasions I've never seen a color difference in the foliage and have yet to notice pale flowers, no matter how hard I tried to see them or justify them.

I say pale flowers because I grow a green PL dwarf that has the wf gene and compared it it DL last year and it wasn't even close. If DL has the wf gene, then my DL isn't DL.

Maybe if Keith has grown DL he can say yes or no to it having the wf gene. The wf gene flowers do have some color but generally the immature anthers seem almost chartreuse before the flowers open, and maybe that's an illusion and the petals.

There's also a chartreuse flower gene and a couple others but don't think there's anything else that's considered pale, besides wf, so if DL is indeed pale or ivory, I'd think it technically would be wf. Maybe Keith will add more.

As for fruit, they look about right, but there are many very large pinks that are similar, so still can't say for sure.

**carolyn137** · August 26, 2006

Genetically speaking, are you saying that it has the white flower gene (wf) or no? or maybe?

No I'm not Mark. Maybe.

The variety White Flowered Marge does, I think, and all I'm saying is that the blossoms of Dr. Lyle resemble those but I have no idea whatsoever if DL has that gene.

And I still say that the foliage is not the normal green that one usually sees. It has a tint to it, as someone else referred to above as a flat green.

perhaps my growing conditions are different than others, which I doubt entirely, but I can only say what I see when I grow it.

The first few times it was grown it was grown at the old family farm in my tomato field there, and post 1999 it was grown once at my farmer friend Charlie's place and still looked the same and he's on the other side of the Hudson River from where I was in Loudonville, and his farm is just above Troy.

Tomstrees · September 15, 2006

What has come out of this thread ?
Does anyone have the real macoy ?
I'm interested ~

Tom

retiree · September 15, 2006

Hi-I grew Dr. Lyle a few years back. The seed did not come from Carolyn directly but did originate from her. I do remember the gray/green(I'd call it) leaves and the flowers were pale. Not exactly white but certainly not like the flowers on my other plants. It didn't have a very good spot in the garden but the tomatoes I did get were excellent in my opinion. Guess I should grow it next year and pay close attention .
Neil (in Canada)

greggf · September 15, 2006

I've avoided Dr. Lyle (even though I lived next door to a wonderful real guy named Dr. Lyle, Dr. Charles Collis Lyle, a German professor at St. Lawrence University who played Wagner out his house windows on summer North Country evenings) because of the "Is it the real McCoy?" question.

=gregg=

Earl · September 16, 2006

I've been meaning to grow Dr. Lyle but never got around to doing it. But I've grown Dr. Neal [I think I'm remembering the right one--yellow/gold?] and it was a top tasting yellow, healty plant and vigorous producer that produced better than any yellow I've ever grown. I'll gown it again, soon. Can only grow so many plants. :-)

**carolyn137** · September 16, 2006

Earl,

Dr Neal and Dr Lyle are both large pink beefsteaks that are RL.

Dr, Neal isn't a yellow so you must have it confused with some other variety/

Earl · September 16, 2006

Carolyn, you're right, got my Doctors mixed up. It was Dr. Wyche’s Yellow which I spoke about by mistake.

August 26, 2006	#17
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Genetically speaking, are you saying that it has the white flower gene (wf) or no? or maybe? No I'm not Mark. Maybe. The variety White Flowered Marge does, I think, and all I'm saying is that the blossoms of Dr. Lyle resemble those but I have no idea whatsoever if DL has that gene. And I still say that the foliage is not the normal green that one usually sees. It has a tint to it, as someone else referred to above as a flat green. perhaps my growing conditions are different than others, which I doubt entirely, but I can only say what I see when I grow it. The first few times it was grown it was grown at the old family farm in my tomato field there, and post 1999 it was grown once at my farmer friend Charlie's place and still looked the same and he's on the other side of the Hudson River from where I was in Loudonville, and his farm is just above Troy. __________________ Carolyn

September 15, 2006	#18
Tomstrees Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NJ Bayshore Posts: 3,848	What has come out of this thread ? Does anyone have the real macoy ? I'm interested ~ Tom __________________ My green thumb came only as a result of the mistakes I made while learning to see things from the plant's point of view. ~ H. Fred Ale

September 16, 2006	#22
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	Earl, Dr Neal and Dr Lyle are both large pink beefsteaks that are RL. Dr, Neal isn't a yellow so you must have it confused with some other variety/ __________________ Carolyn

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August 26, 2006	#16
korney19 Buffalo-Niagara Tomato TasteFest™ Co-Founder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Niagara Frontier Posts: 942	Genetically speaking, are you saying that it has the white flower gene (wf) or no? or maybe? I've grown Dr. Lyle 2 or 3 times from that many different sources including "respected SSE members" you may have talked about in the past, both US & Canada. On all occasions I've never seen a color difference in the foliage and have yet to notice pale flowers, no matter how hard I tried to see them or justify them. I say pale flowers because I grow a green PL dwarf that has the wf gene and compared it it DL last year and it wasn't even close. If DL has the wf gene, then my DL isn't DL. Maybe if Keith has grown DL he can say yes or no to it having the wf gene. The wf gene flowers do have some color but generally the immature anthers seem almost chartreuse before the flowers open, and maybe that's an illusion and the petals. There's also a chartreuse flower gene and a couple others but don't think there's anything else that's considered pale, besides wf, so if DL is indeed pale or ivory, I'd think it technically would be wf. Maybe Keith will add more. As for fruit, they look about right, but there are many very large pinks that are similar, so still can't say for sure.

September 15, 2006	#19
retiree Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 404	Hi-I grew Dr. Lyle a few years back. The seed did not come from Carolyn directly but did originate from her. I do remember the gray/green(I'd call it) leaves and the flowers were pale. Not exactly white but certainly not like the flowers on my other plants. It didn't have a very good spot in the garden but the tomatoes I did get were excellent in my opinion. Guess I should grow it next year and pay close attention . Neil (in Canada)

September 15, 2006	#20
greggf Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Boonville, NY Posts: 419	I've avoided Dr. Lyle (even though I lived next door to a wonderful real guy named Dr. Lyle, Dr. Charles Collis Lyle, a German professor at St. Lawrence University who played Wagner out his house windows on summer North Country evenings) because of the "Is it the real McCoy?" question. =gregg=

September 16, 2006	#21
Earl Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 1,278	I've been meaning to grow Dr. Lyle but never got around to doing it. But I've grown Dr. Neal [I think I'm remembering the right one--yellow/gold?] and it was a top tasting yellow, healty plant and vigorous producer that produced better than any yellow I've ever grown. I'll gown it again, soon. Can only grow so many plants. :-)