Black Cherry Multiflora?

[Tania]

Here is a Riesentraube multiflora truss, for comparison:

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Heritage

Here is some interesting info on compound inflorescence:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...8/?tool=pubmed

Yes, I saw that link when I was Googling and when I saw the lead author, Zach Lippman I chuckled since when he moved to Israel to work with Dani Zamir, a well known tomato breeder, Zach wanted me to send him seeds for 1000 varieties for a project he was going to do.

I asked Glenn at Sandhill and I think Craig L to help out and we did eventually send him the seeds for 1000 tomatoes. I see this work was done in 2008 so it must have been when he was still in Israel.

Zach and family are back in the US and he's working at Cold Spring Harbor Lab. We've lost touch but sheesh Steve, if you want him yo interpret all of that for you I could give you his e-mail address.

I think it was reading the abstract that alerted me initially to the fact that there were two genes involved.

A lot in that very long article is beyond me, but not all and when the wind and snow are about maybe I can go back and make sense of at least some of it, but don't sit by the computer waiting for an e-mail from me.

[carolyn137]

Tania, I thought I knew Fireworks, at least the name, so looked it up at your site and sure enough it's one that Tim Peter's, formerly of Peter's Seed and Research, who bred it. So he's another one who knew how to work with some of the accessions that Zach spoke to in the article Steve linked to.

Tim also bred a pink currant which is no longer available, but now with this one from Ted D in FL, which he named Ted's Pink Currant we'll at least have another pink currant, and I think that's just great.

I think you saw the thread here that I put up about the pink currant and Joe's Pink Oxheart and I'm hoping to get seeds back from the few folks who signed up for both, and few b'c I had few seeds to share.

[EBHarvey]

Well that was some pretty interesting reading - a little more than my puny insurance agent brain that never took a biology class could process by far, but still interesting...

So, what's the verdict here....do I have something special worth trying to replicate and stabilize? Here are the remaining pics which show a few of the other abnormal trusses:

Compared to some of the other, true multifloras they certainly seem less-so, but I'm wondering if whatever mutation is causing the additional bifurcations could be enhanced through continued selection......?

[carolyn137]

For sure it's worth following up with. Steve, in a post above said he got inconsistent results and never followed up on it, so I hope that you do continue to work with it and see how it turns out.

Multifloras amuse me where as fused blossoms, renamed megablooms by some, do not.

[EBHarvey]

Well, I have a not-so-perfect section of my garden along a back wall where I'd never grow anything I want decent production out of, but I could probably fit 20 or so plants in there next year - enough I'd think to see if the gene is persistent, so we'll see. Hopefully it can be stabilized even magnified and y'all can have black cherry multiflora seeds in a few years.

[kurt]

As I posted above the wife was insistent that I save and replant the Black Cherrys.Tried for 4 years and each year the colors got to what I would say "cloudy"and not as dark as the first two years.The trusses would not mature to full bloom and berry developement.Taste got diluted somewhat.I am going to give it two more grows and maybe by then it might revert to the original dark lip smacking cherry that she fell in love with.But I did order some BC for this year(to make her happy)and going to try some brown berrys from SSE.Good luck in your growouts.

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by kurt

As I posted above the wife was insistent that I save and replant the Black Cherrys.Tried for 4 years and each year the colors got to what I would say "cloudy"and not as dark as the first two years.The trusses would not mature to full bloom and berry developement.Taste got diluted somewhat.I am going to give it two more grows and maybe by then it might revert to the original dark lip smacking cherry that she fell in love with.But I did order some BC for this year(to make her happy)and going to try some brown berrys from SSE.Good luck in your growouts.

Your making me wish for next spring all over again.
I love Black Cherry.
The best tasting tomato I have ever had.

Worth

[kurt]

Well Worth we are starting "our"season here in S Florida in about two weeks for me.Now we can brag and showcase our "goods"Just to rub it in I found some seeds(BC)stashed away from the original BC order.This year trying some blues from Wagner anf the wife wants some of those new fangled Sungolds(for me) that are all the rage now.Our turn now.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by kurt

Well Worth we are starting "our"season here in S Florida in about two weeks for me.Now we can brag and showcase our "goods"Just to rub it in I found some seeds(BC)stashed away from the original BC order.This year trying some blues from Wagner anf the wife wants some of those new fangled Sungolds(for me) that are all the rage now.Our turn now.

Kurt, just curious but what new fangled Sungolds are you referring to? I know the original F1 and four OP versions and some of the crosses done with Sungold F1 as an initial one parent and still being worked on in most cases.

But I don't know if any of them are new fangled.

[kurt]

It is just a reference for me and wife.Since she has been reading about them and in our Whole Foods market when she sees anything orange in cherry(Zimas/Sunsweets/Sunbursts)and I vary rarely change my growing regimen(varietys)she beleives they are"new".I know they have been out for some time time from Asia and people have been posting bout them.You know, "Man has last word,yes dear!"Sorry ,I didn't want you to think there was a new kid on the block,Kurt.

[nj07077]

Hey eb I am definetly interested in sum of those seeds, also your plant looks great and if u want I will send u a list of the heirlooms I got and swap sum seeds with ya.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by nj07077

Hey eb I am definetly interested in sum of those seeds, also your plant looks great and if u want I will send u a list of the heirlooms I got and swap sum seeds with ya.

nj and others wanting seed, you saw that EB was going to do large growouts to see if what he saw can be stabilized and that process can take several years.

When someone has seeds to offer they do it in one of the Seed Forums, usually the trade subforum for offers, whether they want trades or don't. That's where I put my annual seed offer and don't list varieties I want to trade since with few exceptions, I don't trade seeds.

So if genetic stabilization can be attained and EB has enough seeds I'm sure he'll make a seed offer for them in the trade seed subforum, or I hope so, where everyone registered at Tville can see it, not just the folks reading this thread, and participate if they wish.

The same goes for PMing someone as asking for seeds in a thread; let the person who mentions the experiment, or whatever, take the lead.

Thanks in advance folks for understanding.

[EBHarvey]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

So if genetic stabilization can be attained and EB has enough seeds I'm sure he'll make a seed offer for them in the trade seed subforum, or I hope so...

Absolutely Carolyn, if I can get that trait pinned-down I'll make seeds available to anyone who wants them. But, as you said, that's probably a few years out.

[nj07077]

thanx for the info carolyn im new to this site so i will check out the seed forums