The "short" list

[bower]

The only two from your list I have grown are Stupice and Black Sea Man. Both are heavy yielding and early. Black Sea Man starts ripening the slicers about a week to ten days later than Stupice.

For taste I agree that Stupice is unremarkable, a very ordinary tomato. I grew them side by side with Moravsky Div this year, and all my testers agreed MDiv is tastier. Both were heavy bearing, but Stupice was more vigorous and healthier plant, a bit more productive overall and continuing to set in hot weather. These early reds really serve the purpose of having lots of ordinary tomatoes early on in the season but they are best to be dressed or cooked.

Black Sea Man has a rich black tomato taste which improves dramatically with salt, and for my taste, a splash of balsamic vinegar to balance its low acidity makes it really delicious and satisfying. For the most part, it doesn't have the tart and fruity overtones that make Cherokee Purple or Vorlon a "stand-alone" fantastic taste. Since it comes in about a month earlier and is a reliable producer even in cold weather, I'm okay with adding the 'tart' bit myself for fresh eating.

[Douglas14]

I grew Weisnicht's Ukrainian this season. It produced large dark pink beefsteaks, on a potato-leafed plant. They were meaty and juicy, with an intense flavor. The tart flavor that you may notice in the seed gel of some tomatoes, really was noticeable. In comparison to Brandywine Sudduth, Marianna's Peace, and Dester's Amish Beefsteak; Weisnicht's Ukrainian had a more intense flavor, was more juicy, and I think averaged larger fruits.
The person I obtained the seed from, through the SSE Yearbook, stated about Weisnicht's Ukrainian: "by comparison, Soldacki tasted bland"

[bwaynef]

That one sounds interesting! Do you know of any commercially available seeds? I'm not a member of the SSE (yet!).

[Alpinejs]

I would love to try to grow Weisnichts but am unable to locate a seed source. Tania doesn't list any sources for it or Weisnichts Potato Leaf. (Why would a pink be named
"not white"?) If anyone knows a seed source, please PM me with that info. Thanx!

[bwaynef]

Originally Posted by Alpinejs

(Why would a pink be named "not white"?)

Why would a Ukrainian tomato be given a German name. I could see Russian or Ukrainian...

Actually, to answer my question and yours, from Tatiana's TB, it looks like the guy who introduced it, having received the seeds from a Ukrainian immigrant, was named Weisnicht.

[carolyn137]

I found the listing for Weisnicht's Ukranian in the pink section of the 2012 SSE YEarbook as well as in the 2011 Yearbook and the same two people listed it both years.

The one person has a short blurb and says he got it in 2008 from the other person who is the originator of the variety and has a very long blurb.

First, both list the variety as RL, so Doug, I'm not sure where your PL came from.

Second, the German word for white is weiss, and weiss in German can mean either white or knows, so one could translate the name to "knows not" if for the fact that there is only ONE S in the variety name.

Or, the name could reflect the name of the person who immigrated from the Ukraine and sent to the person who is listing it. And I just checked and the person who is that originator of this variety, ta da, has a last name of Weisnicht.

With probably 500 plus large pink varities I don't know why a comparison was made with just Soldacki as being bland, and I say that despite the fact that I'm the one who first introduced Soldacki.

It only takes one person who grows a variety to send seeds to a seed site for trial, but if a variety isn't well known, as is true for this one and many hundreds of other listed in the SSE YEarbooks, then there won't be a commercial source.

Many here know that if I grow varieties I really like I send them for trial to TGS, Sandhill Preservation, Gleckler Seedmen, Victory Seeds and Jeff Casey's Herilooms of Ardrie and also send them to other friends as well. And I've been sending seeds for trial for several decades but more lately since after a fall in Dec of 2004 I can no longer grow out the many hundreds of plants and varieties each year b'c I'm chained to a walker. And when that happened I tried very hard to find varieties that would be new to ALL or most folks and have been quite successful at that.

But for 2013 I'm deleting almost all of my SSE tomato listings and concentrating on my annual seed offer here at Tville where I offer pretty much the same I've been SSE listing and more. For 2013 the number of varieties will be way down b'c the persons who di seed production did not get good results this past summer.

Some of those places I just mentioned can turn around a variety in one season and offer it for the next season, some have to subcontract out seed production. Of the above I mentioned I know that Adam Gleckler and Glenn Drowns at Sandhill and Mike at Victory seeds will be offering some of the varieties I sent them last Spring and just haven't touched base with Jeff to ask about that nor with Linda at TGS.

And I don't send the same varieties to each place. Most of them get pretty much the same, but others don't.

The owners of several seed companies are SSE members and very occasionally they will pick up something and run with it, but not usually something that for two years has had only two listers, at least in my experience.

SSE membership is not for everyone for various reasons. And the SSE Yearbook has become a place to get seeds but no longer a place to preserve varieties by relisting varieties procured from others, and preservation was the sole reason that SSE was started in 1975.

But this post is about Weisnicht's Ukranian, so I'll shut up now.

[carolyn137]

I thought that someone had said that Weisnicht's Ukranian was not listed at Tania's data base, which is the reason that I never looked and went straight to my SSE YEarbooks to answer the question by looking at what the originator of the variety wrote about it.

Ah well, I try.

Now that I think about it perhaps it was said that no seed source was listed.

I'll try harder to not speed read,

[SharonRossy]

Just wanted to add that I grew Japanese black trifele for the first time this year and it'll definitely will be back next year!
Sharon

[Alpinejs]

Sharon, your post along with Carolyn's constant admonishions, motivated me
to give Japanese Trifele a 2nd try. It was a stellar failure this year, but so
were most as we got hit with a devastating hailstorm. Incidently, Carolyn's
rule of 2 has proven excellent advice in most all cases. Pineapple was on it's
3rd strike before vaulting to my "must grow" list.

[SharonRossy]

Well I have to tell you I the beginning I wasn't so hot on the JBT'S, but they improved as the season went along and even when we got hit with the cooler temps, especially at night, not affected at all. I actually think they were happier. It's a very prolific plant. I finally had to cut it down and call it a day. Besides the squirrels were decimating it. So Carolyn's advice is well taken, although for sure Tigerella will NOT be on my list for next year or Green Zebra. GZ has been with in my garden for at least 5 years or more and it's just not been worthwhile for me.
Sharon

[ScottinAtlanta]

Me, too. Loved those perfect dark globes.

[Douglas14]

I obtained Weisnicht's Ukranian from a SSE member. I didn't realize that it was listed as regular-leafed, until Carolyn mentioned it. I may grow it again next year, and see if I get at least some regular-leafed plants. The two I grew this year, were potato-leafed.