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The finely powdered form of fresh water DE doesn't have much practical use in the garden outside of pest control that I'm aware of, and to be effective as a soft bodied pest killer or a deterrent it must be dry. |
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I know that I cannot license DE in any shape or form for sale as a consumer pesticide in California. Also I know that if I see DE (food grade or otherwise) for sale either (1) labeled for use as consumer pesticide or (2) not labeled for use as pesticide but placed next to consumer pesticide products, then I can report it to the CDFA inspector and it will be off the shelf within a day.
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Also, this information on DE safety might interest readers, esp. about DE for pool filters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatom...considerations
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Maybe I just misunderstand you. Is it that in CA you may only sell DE for insect control to consumers if it is a registered brand that has all the usual bureaucratic labeling requirements? In other words, you can't buy a 50 pound sack of food grade DE, break in up into 1 lb. zip lock bags and sell that on the shelf to consumers in CA? |
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For agricultural use of DE in California with a pesticide applicators license, the application almost always requires that a county inspector be present.
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Here is the use it is licensed for in California: http://www.kellysolutions.com/ca/sho...=59913-1-42697 Linda, notice that your product label does not match the California restrictions regarding "Sites to which this Product may be Applied": http://www.kellysolutions.com/ca/sho...+INSECT+KILLER
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Now I certainly understand why a commercial grower might be banned from, lets say for instance, loading up a crop duster and dusting a field. Clearly that would be a hazard to the agricultural workers breathing all that dust, and explains why a county inspector might be required to be present. But labeling for domestic use, and needing a county inspector for commercial use, is a far cry from "banned".
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You will not find it labeled in CA for domestic use in the garden.
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I understand, and concede your point Richard. Its legal to apply this on dogs, cats, porches and sheds, just not dirt. But as Scott pointed out, that is not the same as being banned for pest control in CA. Clearly, DE is NOT banned for pest control in CA. To be sure, I need to herd those earwigs off the soil and onto the sidewalk before I nuke them with DE.
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And I apologize, I thought the context was gardening, not flea products for pets.
Perhaps some of you have the experience of driving somewhere in town and discovering a new traffic light in a place that you think is a poor location. Very often one or more persons died at that location before the city was convinced that a traffic signal was needed. In the coming years and decades the businesses in the area might convince the city that the risk is low and to remove the light. But for now if you happen to find yourself at such a ★★★★★★★★, please take a moment to pay respect to the person(s) for whom the monument stands.
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and maybe they were just crappy drivers! whats that got to do with DE?
wasn't cesar chavez that guy that convinced like 9 people to quit eating grapes for a week? again, whats that got to do w/DE? |
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The hard part is that the underside of the leaves also have to be dusted. I always dust around the bottom of the plant well,too. |
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